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Re: Criminal Girls 2 is heading your way!

Postby Battlechili » Fri Jul 15, 2016 10:18 pm

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Do you guys communicate public concerns regarding your localizations to your Japanese branch? Does the Japanese branch have a public email that people can send feedback to, or something close to it?

And since you guys said that releasing games unrated is against company policy, is there any possibility of such a policy being changed, especially since you've recently started doing PC ports (including Criminal Girls 1 itself!) and games on such a platform don't require such a rating? (and hopefully this isn't too unrelated, but do you guys do your PC ports in house or does the Japanese branch do most of the work in making them?)

On another note, why does NIS America make one version of a game for Western audiences, rather than treating each individual country and its ratings boards as a different beast to tackle, so to speak. Is that strictly a cost issue, or are there other reasons involved? It just seems kind of strange for there to be two main versions of a game typically, (Japanese and Western versions).
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Re: Criminal Girls 2 is heading your way!

Postby razisgosu » Fri Jul 15, 2016 10:57 pm

They only do one code branch because thats all that can be budgeted for. Once you talk different code for different regions you start vastly increasing cost.

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Re: Criminal Girls 2 is heading your way!

Postby angelus_72 » Fri Jul 15, 2016 11:58 pm

Prinny Supervisor wrote:Also, hello again, Niche Gamer forums! Happy to answer any questions you have!

First of all, happy belated birthday.

Apologize in advance if I'm asking questions that have already been asked, 43 pages of text isn't the kind of 2D content I can really commit to.

What's with the avatar here?: http://forum.nichegamer.com/members/pri ... visor.591/

With Australia taking an all out war on fun, I don't think anyone doubts that certain rating boards would refuse classification. However, how does NISA expect to stay competitive in the industry when others like Iffy, XSEED, and now PQUBE have all taken a greater stance on censorship?

With how much work NISA is putting into the modifications, wouldn't it be cheaper and more efficient to send the original game to ratings boards and just making the minimum changes required to actually publish the game (kinda like Iffy did with MeiQ before announcing they just wouldn't publish it in AUS)? It seems like you'd easily be able to get a pass from the ESRB with fewer changes.

Can NISA provide an (official or unofficial) statement from the ESRB clearly stating that the changes would be necessary? If I called or e-mailed the ESRB and specifically asked

What would be stopping NISA from providing a free DLC reverting all the changes to regions that would allow it?

Lastly, as Battlechili asked, is the Japanese Branch aware of the audience's concerns with censorship? And what have the original creators and CG artists said about the modifications?

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Re: Criminal Girls 2 is heading your way!

Postby neonie » Sat Jul 16, 2016 12:13 am

I can answer at least two of these now for you. Prinny Supervisor can give his own response later, but these are just quickies.

angelus_72 wrote:With Australia taking an all out war on fun, I don't think anyone doubts that certain rating boards would refuse classification. However, how does NISA expect to stay competitive in the industry when others like Iffy, XSEED, and now PQUBE have all taken a greater stance on censorship?


Answer.

angelus_72 wrote:What would be stopping NISA from providing a free DLC reverting all the changes to regions that would allow it?


The DLC would still have to be rated. Any DLC that would rate higher than the rating the game received would change the rating of the game overall, from my understanding.

I'll leave that for Prinny Supervisor to correct if I'm wrong.
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Postby RandomR » Sat Jul 16, 2016 12:36 am

shadowmaksim wrote:Makes me wonder at what point the government would start stepping in.

The moment a political party will believe a nice old fashioned outrage about how video games are turning children into criminals will grant them votes is the moment the government will step in, with claims of them saving the future generations from depravity of course.

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Re: Criminal Girls 2 is heading your way!

Postby Ringwraith » Sat Jul 16, 2016 1:03 am

neonie wrote:
angelus_72 wrote:What would be stopping NISA from providing a free DLC reverting all the changes to regions that would allow it?


The DLC would still have to be rated. Any DLC that would rate higher than the rating the game received would change the rating of the game overall, from my understanding.

I'll leave that for Prinny Supervisor to correct if I'm wrong.

I imagine platform holders would have some issues with selling that, to say the least.
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Postby Sleepyprinny99 » Sat Jul 16, 2016 1:08 am

I'm personally in favor of rehauling the whole ESRB framework and giving it a much needed update and seeing what comes afterwards. If companies then censor work they no long need to, then they should be outright boycotted. Alternatively, NISA ought to look at where it *needs* to change with respect to its target audiences.

It's where we, as the outside consumer, fit in all this and what effects we can have in those changes...

Ironically, it's written in our Constitution that if the government stops functioning with the interests of the people in mind then it should be replaced. On some levels I would say that applies with business policy and organizations like ratings boards. If the government, in the most extreme case, did try to get in on what otherwise is a private sector issue it'd be in gross violation of its function and authority and would piss off more than just outraged gamers. Likewise it'd be partially our fault for letting it get that far in the first place...if you're a citizen anyway.

Art in this country's history over the last century has only ever been a political tool or at the whims of the conservative critics to ban when it crosses some line or other. Interactive media even moreso because of its inherent role as a product, subject to even more scrutiny on top of matters of aesthetics and integrity of authenticity.

If you want to change paradigms, it usually requires A LOT of people with enough cohesive force that ignoring them ill advised...you also need to convince at least over half of the opposition to your side, less if you can sway those at the top. Effectively you'd need a coup d'etat type of movement...and in general idiots willing to fire off the first salvo praying that more idiots will join them.

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Re: Criminal Girls 2 is heading your way!

Postby razisgosu » Sat Jul 16, 2016 1:22 am

Speaking of DLC, gamefaqs mentions there's some DLC that came with a Japanese guide for the game. I checked on the Japanese PSN and the only thing I saw was a Vita theme.

@Prinny -

1. Are there any plans to bring this DLC over? Either as stand alone or pre-order bonus? It's apparently this -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wr5O1XA ... e=youtu.be

2. Are there any plans to bring the theme over?

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Re: Criminal Girls 2 is heading your way!

Postby Sleepyprinny99 » Sat Jul 16, 2016 1:34 am

The theme would be pretty nice.

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Re: Criminal Girls 2 is heading your way!

Postby Ringwraith » Sat Jul 16, 2016 2:05 am

Sleepyprinny99 wrote:Ironically, it's written in our Constitution that if the government stops functioning with the interests of the people in mind then it should be replaced. On some levels I would say that applies with business policy and organizations like ratings boards.

This is an issue when everyone involved in these steps of the ratings process are all entirely privately-run business entities.
Also the ESRB was set up so the government wouldn't try and regulate things it didn't understand, which would likely result in a much more situation for everyone. The ESRB is designed so the video games industry and market in America 'regulates itself'.

Corporations are people too! (This is actually a legal standard in America).
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Re: Criminal Girls 2 is heading your way!

Postby Sleepyprinny99 » Sat Jul 16, 2016 2:58 am

Well, I did say I'm in favor of seeing change here, but I also want to be clear that if you want to change things it'd require A LOT of resources and was speaking mostly in the extreme hypothetical here.

CG is a series that's in a weird spot, but that's one reason I like it.
What I meant by change is the ESRB's stance on sexuality in games post GTA: SA...Nothing huge here, just mindfulness that it is 2016 and what that reflects in audiences, genre and content...though, maybe some of us *are* more conservative now than in the past few decades.

Also, I get we treat corporations like people...I just wish we could punish them like people sometimes...but that's another matter altogether.

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Re: Criminal Girls 2 is heading your way!

Postby neonie » Sat Jul 16, 2016 5:29 am

Sleepyprinny99 wrote:Well, I did say I'm in favor of seeing change here, but I also want to be clear that if you want to change things it'd require A LOT of resources and was speaking mostly in the extreme hypothetical here.

CG is a series that's in a weird spot, but that's one reason I like it.
What I meant by change is the ESRB's stance on sexuality in games post GTA: SA...Nothing huge here, just mindfulness that it is 2016 and what that reflects in audiences, genre and content...though, maybe some of us *are* more conservative now than in the past few decades.

Also, I get we treat corporations like people...I just wish we could punish them like people sometimes...but that's another matter altogether.


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Re: Criminal Girls 2 is heading your way!

Postby Sleepyprinny99 » Sat Jul 16, 2016 5:33 am

...That, would be all kinds of hilarious!

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Re: Criminal Girls 2 is heading your way!

Postby Scumbadsoldier » Sat Jul 16, 2016 9:44 am

I was just thinking that, despite how dubious I still think the situation is, things would be a lot less complicated if there were, say, a rating in between M and AO for games with extremely provocative content, but not literally porn.

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Re: Criminal Girls 2 is heading your way!

Postby knightnightmare » Sat Jul 16, 2016 10:15 am

Scumbadsoldier wrote:I was just thinking that, despite how dubious I still think the situation is, things would be a lot less complicated if there were, say, a rating in between M and AO for games with extremely provocative content, but not literally porn.


You don't get an AO unless there is actual porn. I've never seen an example of a game getting an AO rating without full nudity or penetration.
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