Criminal Girls 2 is heading your way!

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Re: Criminal Girls 2 is heading your way!

Postby animeniac » Wed Jun 01, 2016 2:47 pm

shadowmaksim wrote:Well then, time to go on a complete media blackout for the game I guess. I actually want to enjoy this game and I don't want the experience soured by people complaining (valid or not) like last time. Though I doubt I'll be able to escape some, if not most, of it.


I agree with you on this, but I've not once been unable to enjoy the finished product before. People will hate on it for whatever reason, but all I have to say is "choose your battles wisely" to those people as it's just not worth fussing over. From what I understand, NISA doesn't WANT to censor it, but they have to; it's a business issue, they want the game to reach the widest audience possible while still being as close to the original as possible. A prime example is the VN explosion on steam in the last year or two and the trials and tribulations JAST USA has gone through to bring hybrid 18+ RPGs and VNs to the west. I've read various OP ED on these issues and this is a far cry from those.
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Postby Prinny Supervisor » Wed Jun 01, 2016 2:49 pm

RandomR wrote:Since you're mentioning the PC port which was announced for Criminal Girls: Invite Only, (and potentially for Criminal Girls 2: Favors Party?) I wanted to ask, what happens if someone, somewhere has a good heart and decides to create a mod by recording the Vita audio from the JP version, cutting it and then insert the audio clips to "restore" the sounds during the mini-game? Are you going to discourage such mods (i.e. the modder wouldn't be allowed to post the mod on the Steam forums without getting banned) or are you going to let them do as they please?

Thanks in advance.


Hi! As of now, we have no official policy/guidelines for those particular titles and any Steam release.
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Postby pancakelizard » Wed Jun 01, 2016 2:50 pm

RandomR wrote:Before I start yes, I made this account just to ask a question (I have no account on these forums, so this is not a throw away/burner account!)

Since you're mentioning the PC port which was announced for Criminal Girls: Invite Only, (and potentially for Criminal Girls 2: Favors Party?) I wanted to ask, what happens if someone, somewhere has a good heart and decides to create a mod by recording the Vita audio, cutting it and then insert the audio clips to "restore" the sounds during the mini-game? Are you going to discourage such mods (i.e. the modder wouldn't be allowed to post the mod on the Steam forums without getting banned) or are you going to let them do as they please?


This is an excellent question. Especially since there are tons of companies that localize and release games on Steam who allow stuff like this, and since it is NIS/NISA's IP exclusively then the decision would be entirely up to them.


Prinny Supervisor wrote:You've already made your decision to hate the company, no matter what we do. You made that clear by saying you'll never buy anything from us again. Which makes it seem as if you came on here purely to spread a negative opinion about a game you aren't even going to buy.


I don't think this is fair, because I would really like to love NIS again, but your "company policies" prevent this from happening.

I would love to own this game too, but I'm not going to unless those company policies change.

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Postby Prinny Supervisor » Wed Jun 01, 2016 2:53 pm

pancakelizard wrote:I don't think this is fair, because I would really like to love NIS again, but your "company policies" prevent this from happening.

I would love to own this game too, but I'm not going to unless those company policies change.


I understand and respect that. And I don't want you to feel entirely discouraged. It's opinions like yours that get brought up every time we decide on whether or not we want to localize a title, believe me.
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Postby RandomR » Wed Jun 01, 2016 2:54 pm

Prinny Supervisor wrote:Hi! As of now, we have no official policy/guidelines for those particular titles and any Steam release.


I see, thanks for the reply, I will ask again then when the first game will be on Steam then.

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Postby Prinny Supervisor » Wed Jun 01, 2016 3:11 pm

On a somewhat-related note, I absolutely love the opening song. It'll be on the OST too!
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Postby Aardbark » Wed Jun 01, 2016 3:12 pm

Im glad to hear this is finally getting localized.

I dont like censorship in games, never have. Especially with how hypocritical the ESRB is. If Im to believe the FAQ posted here, and that this game would get an AO rating, thats just corrupt. Games like "blank" have been released that have actual nudity and actual sex, on screen, and get an M rating. But the idea that this game would get AO, with no actual nudity or sex, only implied themes, is disheartening. If thats true, then the ESRB is corrupt and has no integrity.

Anyway, all that aside I will still probably get this game. The worst that Ive read about the changes, is the redrawn art. The given example isnt bad, but it has the potential to be terrible. Who knows how large the changes can be, they could be huge and drastic.

Could someone official state how many images have been changed, and by how much? Are we looking at 5 images or 50?

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Postby Super86 » Wed Jun 01, 2016 3:16 pm

How long should i expect to wait before i can pre order this via the EU store. And will the PAL regions get the party bag edition?

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Postby Prinny Supervisor » Wed Jun 01, 2016 3:25 pm

Aardbark wrote: Games like "blank" have been released that have actual nudity and actual sex, on screen, and get an M rating. But the idea that this game would get AO, with no actual nudity or sex, only implied themes, is disheartening. If thats true, then the ESRB is corrupt and has no integrity.


Context is crucially important to ratings boards. It's not really just about nudity or sex, it's more about the way in which those things are presented in the game.

Anyway, all that aside I will still probably get this game. The worst that Ive read about the changes, is the redrawn art. The given example isnt bad, but it has the potential to be terrible. Who knows how large the changes can be, they could be huge and drastic.

Could someone official state how many images have been changed, and by how much? Are we looking at 5 images or 50?


The art is still being worked on as we speak, so I cannot give a good estimate as to the number of scenes that were changed, but I can say that it's probably around half the total scenes. Some of the changes are extremely minor, some of the changes involve poses and how much clothing covers what. I would say that the example given in the blog post is probably in the "middle" of the degree of changes. We have to be especially careful with the two younger-looking characters, Kuroe and Mizuki, because sexual situations which may be interpreted as being non-consensual involving minors is one of the biggest no-nos that you could ever no to ratings boards.
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Re: Criminal Girls 2 is heading your way!

Postby shadowmaksim » Wed Jun 01, 2016 3:33 pm

Prinny Supervisor wrote:On a somewhat-related note, I absolutely love the opening song. It'll be on the OST too!


Sounding good so far.

I actually really like the OST for the first game. Even the mingame bgm, something I didn't really like at first, ended up growing on me eventually. But it was the battle bgms that I really ended up liking oddly enough.

Hopefully the OST of this game lives up to it.

Aardbark wrote:I dont like censorship in games, never have. Especially with how hypocritical the ESRB is. If Im to believe the FAQ posted here, and that this game would get an AO rating, thats just corrupt. Games like "blank" have been released that have actual nudity and actual sex, on screen, and get an M rating. But the idea that this game would get AO, with no actual nudity or sex, only implied themes, is disheartening. If thats true, then the ESRB is corrupt and has no integrity.


That's unfortunately how it goes.

Each country's ratings board have their own standards and guidelines but also their own set of loopholes. Domestic developers know these and can work around them but when you starting dealing with bringing over foreign products, that's when things tend to go haywire since those same loopholes end up not working anymore, if not flat out making it worse. And this goes for all countries. It's just one of the difficulties of this business.

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Re: Criminal Girls 2 is heading your way!

Postby Prinny Supervisor » Wed Jun 01, 2016 3:42 pm

Super86 wrote:How long should i expect to wait before i can pre order this via the EU store. And will the PAL regions get the party bag edition?


Right now, we are really, really trying to work out a deal with our distributors to bring both LEs to our EU store. I'll be sure to post any updates about that situation!
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Postby Domo7 » Wed Jun 01, 2016 3:44 pm

I really want to preorder this one, since the changes don't seem as harsh as the first one, but I just have two quick questions.

1. How much pink fog is going to cover up all this new redrawn art, is it going to be the same as the japanese release or so thick you can't even see the pictures like the first Criminal Girls?

2. Have the camera angles changed during the motivation parts, like the first one where everything was zoomed in way too close?

Thanks for answering.

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Re: Criminal Girls 2 is heading your way!

Postby animeniac » Wed Jun 01, 2016 3:45 pm

shadowmaksim wrote:That's unfortunately how it goes.

Each country's ratings board have their own standards and guidelines but also their own set of loopholes. Domestic developers know these and can work around them but when you starting dealing with bringing over foreign products, that's when things tend to go haywire since those same loopholes end up not working anymore, if not flat out making it worse. And this goes for all countries. It's just one of the difficulties of this business.


You make good points, I like how you think, lol. I also think its unfair to criticize NISA for their "policies" when practically every other publisher has the same ones. I own many NISA titles and can say with certainty that I am mostly satisfied with their finished products. Have they screwed up and made mistakes? Yes. Have I forgiven them? Also Yes. Why? Because of their efforts to make amends. There are a few titles that I wish they would go back and fix but it's just not realistic when I think of all the many variables. Now I may have a low post count on here but I've been buying from and following NISA since they started in 2003 and I feel they've improved a lot over the years, and they're not the only company to go through such things either. No company is infallible, they're still run by people who have to make daily decisions and must work within the set of rules they are given, that's just a part of doing business, period.
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Re: Criminal Girls 2 is heading your way!

Postby Scumbadsoldier » Wed Jun 01, 2016 3:49 pm

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Scumbadsoldier wrote:Elaborate on this, because...
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Looks about the same, dude. Can you provide us with an example that demonstrates this more clearly?

You'd be amazed how much the inferences can be changed from simply having some bindings present.
Which is what's happening most visibly in that case.

Also for arguments saying they could release an unedited PC version, sure, but then they'd have to find a storefront to sell it from digitally; Steam won't take it...

What are you basing this on? There's, as far as I know, no literally pornographic content in the game, and even if it'd get an AO rating, there's nothing barring those from Steam. There is very heated and public precedence on this.

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Re: Criminal Girls 2 is heading your way!

Postby Aardbark » Wed Jun 01, 2016 3:51 pm

Thanks for the response.

It sounds like the whole, consensual, thing is an issue. I never even would have thought of that, since its just a video game.

I see in the example picture, that the thing changed is the removal or the ropes. I can assume that a bunch of the images are going to be changed in the same way, with the chains and ropes removed. Thats not a big problem for me, I never really liked the ropes anyway. Half the images? That sounds like a lot.

The thing that is a problem for me though, is the clothes. At least 30% of the reason for this game, is the ecchi nature of it (the other 70% is the dungeon crawling, and story). Even the Party Bag Edition gets it, with the microfiber cloth. So when you say, "how much clothing covers what" it can be a little discouraging. Removing ropes isnt much of a change, but putting on an extra shirt, or some bikeshorts, is a huge change. At least in my eyes.


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