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Thoughts about the game...etc, etc (Story, gameplay, characters...the usual)

Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2016 9:00 pm
by Sleepyprinny99
This is...well, like the thread title says; a place to talk about the game proper since most folks just wanna talk about the editing and politics of it all...which is fine...but kinda distracts from the game itself...as y'know a game and sequel to a pretty decent game and series.
Essentially, a centered general chat thread.

So...let's talk Criminal Girls 2 for anyone excited for the soon to release title and anyone needing a change of pace.

As always...
1. Keep things nice and civil with posts.
2. Spoilers tagged
3. Keep topics to the thread in line with the thread's purpose...the game, story and all in game Criminal Girls 2 related.

That's really all...and forum rules are up and such so yeah.

I guess...to start things off...
Why not share thoughts on character impressions between the new girls and the girls of CG 1?
Compare and contrast I guess?

Something like that...maybe?

Re: Thoughts about the game...etc, etc (Story, gameplay, characters...the usual)

Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2016 12:20 am
by Sleepyprinny99
Sui and Shin...apparently have similar combat roles it seems.

Re: Thoughts about the game...etc, etc (Story, gameplay, characters...the usual)

Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2016 1:48 am
by neonie
Since I've mostly had to praise and defend the first game in the previous thread, this seems like a good chance for me to voice some of my initial criticisms I have right now, even relevant to that first topic.

But, and maybe I should of mentioned this in the previous thread when I suggested making this one, you also have to keep in mind, there isn't actually much to talk about in regards to this game yet. Since it's not out and no ones played it, all of this is just speculation, and that can only bring a conversation so far. :P.

I actually don't really like the girls in this game, compared to the first. From an aesthetic perspective, I don't find them very appealing, and I think the outfit design is downright bad. They, (The outfits.) Look way to goofy.

What little I know about their personalities also seems like a bit of a miss to me. So, without playing the game, here are my initial impressions:

Shinoa seems way to normal. She reminds (aesthetically) way to much of Haruhi to actually be appealing looks wise.

Lily is the closest to something I find appealing, but I'm not very into the "forehead" look. I love oujo type characters, but I do wish her hair was instead parted in the front and she had bangs. See Erica from Campione, Touka Ryuumonbuchi from Saki, and Mary from IB for examples.

Kuroe could do without the buttons and the weird head thing that makes her look like a nun. This one is rather simple. I just don't like nuns.

Mizuki: I don't like short hair... Or dogs... Or her weird overall things... And I have a bad feeling I'm going to end up finding her entire persona annoying.

Sui: GIRL WHAT ARE YOU EVEN WEARING?! I CAN'T EVEN!...

Yurine: I know what you're wearing, and it's almost nothing. I actually feel like she could be cuter if she let her hair down.

Tsukasa: There is just nothing I like about this girl at all.

Hilariously, I actually like Enri and Mayas design the most out of all of them. :P.

Maya her self is actually cute, and her outfit makes sense.

While Enri's outfit is slightly less practical, it actually has a flow to it that I really dig that the other characters outfits seem to lack. I also actually think the girl her self is cute and probably has the prettiest design out of the cast.

Re: Thoughts about the game...etc, etc (Story, gameplay, characters...the usual)

Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2016 9:26 pm
by Sleepyprinny99
neonie wrote:Since I've mostly had to praise and defend the first game in the previous thread, this seems like a good chance for me to voice some of my initial criticisms I have right now, even relevant to that first topic.

But, and maybe I should of mentioned this in the previous thread when I suggested making this one, you also have to keep in mind, there isn't actually much to talk about in regards to this game yet. Since it's not out and no ones played it, all of this is just speculation, and that can only bring a conversation so far. :P.

I actually don't really like the girls in this game, compared to the first. From an aesthetic perspective, I don't find them very appealing, and I think the outfit design is downright bad. They, (The outfits.) Look way to goofy.

What little I know about their personalities also seems like a bit of a miss to me. So, without playing the game, here are my initial impressions:

Shinoa seems way to normal. She reminds (aesthetically) way to much of Haruhi to actually be appealing looks wise.

Lily is the closest to something I find appealing, but I'm not very into the "forehead" look. I love oujo type characters, but I do wish her hair was instead parted in the front and she had bangs. See Erica from Campione, Touka Ryuumonbuchi from Saki, and Mary from IB for examples.

Kuroe could do without the buttons and the weird head thing that makes her look like a nun. This one is rather simple. I just don't like nuns.

Mizuki: I don't like short hair... Or dogs... Or her weird overall things... And I have a bad feeling I'm going to end up finding her entire persona annoying.

Sui: GIRL WHAT ARE YOU EVEN WEARING?! I CAN'T EVEN!...

Yurine: I know what you're wearing, and it's almost nothing. I actually feel like she could be cuter if she let her hair down.

Tsukasa: There is just nothing I like about this girl at all.

Hilariously, I actually like Enri and Mayas design the most out of all of them. :P.

Maya her self is actually cute, and her outfit makes sense.

While Enri's outfit is slightly less practical, it actually has a flow to it that I really dig that the other characters outfits seem to lack. I also actually think the girl her self is cute and probably has the prettiest design out of the cast.



Holy crap...you are probably one of the most opinionated people I've ever met!!!!
Not, that's a bad thing per se...just something of my natural enemy disposition wise...at least it's fun talking to you.

Anyway, crap like this is good...speculation is good. Just cuz it's not out yet is no excuse to *not* talk about the game.

To be honest, I actually like the girls' look as much as the first game. You say goofy, I say cute and with flair...a bit of tit for tat.

Shinoa is def the most normal looking girl...and I kinda dig that about her. Not too over the top and hints at her true nature as a total she bitch (speculation from what I know of her and the pink haired anime girl trope...total control freaks behind a smile). But I...I have broad tastes and...yeah.

With Lily,
I...actually don't like "oujou" types that much...my first impulse is to want to hit them. But then, one of two things happen....I end up not hating them outright and they grow on me, or I just can't stand them. The look isn't bad, but I'm not a fan of the forehead look either. It either works or it doesn't. ...it works for her, but is still a minus. But I can't say much else about her less I spoil things. She bugs me a little less than Ran did though...I actually pitied Ran's fragility.

I...want a Kuroe plushie, a Mizuki plushie and an Alice plushie...LIKE RIGHT NOW!!!
For Kuroe, I don't mind the look, she looks like a doll and I want one. Plus, blue is one of my favorite colors. It suits her. I want to hug them all.

Mizuki's puppy look is actually what I like about her....personally, I think she pulled it off better than Sako and Yuko from CG 1. See, I prefer longer hair too, but I can admit when it works for a lady and Mizuki, Sui and Tsukasa work for me....plus, big ass sword...a puppy with a big ass sword, wins every time.

Sui...the only thing I dislike is her...big hat. But it's okay cuz I like her overall look...and she reminds me of a cat. Plus she works like Shin gameplaywise so yeah, double win. Her hat throws off the balance a bit though, but meh.

With Tsukasa, I like the flirtiness and teasing and like oujou types, gyarus are either like or hate for me, and I don't mind her. Plus, she's a healer, which is all kinds of ironic. (Had to double check that bit about her since it bugged me to no end about her battle role, and my japanese sucked which was funny since the only vids I could find were in korean...no hangul for me).

Yurine...would look AMAZING with her hair down and suit the look of her outfit better. But, I prefer Tomoe's costume to Yurine but meh. Overly busty characters aren't usually my thing, but I liked Tomoe so it's not like I hate them either and she has a halberd, scythe... thing, so yeah.

Enri...is nice, but not my favorite design tbh, second or third favorite . I think her personality is what wins me over and that's all I'll comment on. Her look ties with Shinoa, Kuroe and/or Sui for me.

Maya only makes sense cuz she's a part of the Reformation Program staff...uniforms man, uniforms are part of the schtick! She strikes me as the most plain looks wise...but to each their own and like Enri, I won't comment further....she's no Miu though.

Those are my impressions on the girls at a glance.
Well , the only other thing I can say is that this bunch of girls has things I liked more than in CG 1 and things I liked less, but what I liked more outweighed what I disliked. Well, that and how screwed up the girls are is always, ALWAYS a plus. No comment further there....but overall, I think the girl'outlandish looks really highlight them better than in the first game for the most part...but that's me.

Plus, like how their sins played into their combat roles and skillset, I'm excited how the $)S/M skill paths play into that...

That's another thing I think the first game and this one will do very well with, showing you just who these gurls are...by the way they fight.

Thnx for sharing and this is for anything about the game...sans the politics so guesses are great, or y'know...debate aesthetic differences....whatever works.

Re: Thoughts about the game...etc, etc (Story, gameplay, characters...the usual)

Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2016 2:56 am
by shadowmaksim
I was thinking of creating a thread like this myself but decided to hold off on it until the game actually released, considering how little there is to actually talk about at this point.

Anyway, might as well butt into the conversation. In regards to the designs of the characters, I do think they are a bit over designed, if that makes sense. It's mostly to do with their outfits.

With the cast of the first game, while there were some slight modifications and accessories added to better individualize their looks, you could still tell that their oufits were primarily prisoner uniforms. It created this kind of unity between them. Even with Miu's and Himekami's outfits, which were more uniquely designed, still at least fit the prisoner look.

But with the cast for "CG 2", it seems to almost be the opposite. Instead of having prisoner clothes given some personal touches, it looks like they are just wearing regular clothes they'd otherwise wear normally which were just given a prisoner-ish look, aka, just slapping some stripes on them. Shinoa's and Kuroe's outfits are obviously dresses, Mizuki is wearing sneakers which for some reason is bugging me, Tsukasa's I finding to be way too casual(I mean, she's wearing short shorts and a mini hoodie), and I don't even know what the heck Yurine is wearing. While I like that there is more variety to the outfits, it's a bit too much which I'm finding is losing some of that central unity. I don't really dislike any of them, except for maybe Yurine's, but it was one of the first things I noticed upon seeing the cast.

Then there's also the fact that I do still prefer the overall artstyle for the characters of the first game over the second so far. Though outside of some vague reasoning, I'm having some trouble articulating why exactly. I just kind of do.

Re: Thoughts about the game...etc, etc (Story, gameplay, characters...the usual)

Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2016 3:45 am
by neonie
Sleepyprinny99 wrote:
Holy crap...you are probably one of the most opinionated people I've ever met!!!!
Not, that's a bad thing per se...just something of my natural enemy disposition wise...at least it's fun talking to you.


Natural Enemy? That seems a bit over the top. Lol. Any particular reason why?

Sleepyprinny99 wrote: You say goofy, I say cute and with flair...a bit of tit for tat.


Reading the rest of your post, I kind of see where you're coming from with this. I'm not really into the whole "Scatter brained." Thing.

Sleepyprinny99 wrote:(speculation from what I know of her and the pink haired anime girl trope...total control freaks behind a smile).


Hm, I'm not really sure what you mean by this. Other than Gasai, Yuno, most of the pink haired girls I've seen in Anime are played pretty straight. It's not really a, "Bitch in Sheep's Clothing." Thing very often.

Sleepyprinny99 wrote:...my first impulse is to want to hit them.


Oh? Why's that?

Sleepyprinny99 wrote:She bugs me a little less than Ran did though...I actually pitied Ran's fragility.


I don't think I ever liked Ran at any point. Even her trials did not make me sympathize with her anymore. I just can't stand her butch persona at all.

Sleepyprinny99 wrote: Plus, blue is one of my favorite colors.


It's really more of a Teal/Aquamarine.

"Sleepyprinny99 wrote:See, I prefer longer hair too, but I can admit when it works for a lady and Mizuki, Sui and Tsukasa work for me....plus, big ass sword...a puppy with a big ass sword, wins every time.


I wouldn't call "Mizuki" a lady, though. Maybe that's another problem, she really reminds me more of a young boy.

"Sleepyprinny99 wrote:Sui...the only thing I dislike is her...big hat.


Pope hat.

"Sleepyprinny99 wrote: gyarus are either like or hate for me, and I don't mind her.


See, I actually like Gyarus in some cases. Tsukasa I don't think counts as a gyaru, though. Dark Skin does not a gyaru make. She's not nearly gaudy enough. The gaudy aspect is something I kind of like about gyarus, assuming it doesn't go overboard. Tsukasa just looks like she laid on a tanning bed too long.

"Sleepyprinny99 wrote: she has a halberd, scythe... thing, so yeah.


I do enjoy my self a scythe.

"Sleepyprinny99 wrote: Enri...is nice, but not my favorite design tbh, second or third favorite . I think her personality is what wins me over and that's all I'll comment on. Her look ties with Shinoa, Kuroe and/or Sui for me.


I'm not sure about her personality, to be honest. I tried to look into a bit of the characters earlier today, and I got a few impressions from their voice samples. (Lily's voice sample shows she is all of the oujo I want her to be and it makes me swoon.) But Enri doesn't have one.

"Sleepyprinny99 wrote:Maya only makes sense cuz she's a part of the Reformation Program staff...uniforms man, uniforms are part of the schtick!


To be honest, I think I would like the way Maya looks even if she had a goofy outfit like the other girls. Her hairstyle and type of character are also things I find appealing.

Sleepyprinny99 wrote:That's another thing I think the first game and this one will do very well with, showing you just who these gurls are...by the way they fight.


It is rather interesting that Lily appears to be a tank type character. I would expect most oujo types to either play the, "Attacker." Role, (Those fangs.) Or the, "Special." Role. (Buffing, status effects, ect. The role of, "Royalty." In something like Etrian Odyssey.)

shadowmaksim wrote:But with the cast for "CG 2", it seems to almost be the opposite. Instead of having prisoner clothes given some personal touches, it looks like they are just wearing regular clothes they'd otherwise wear normally which were just given a prisoner-ish look, aka, just slapping some stripes on them.


This is actually a good point, that I hadn't thought of. None of their prisoner uniforms are actually... Uniform.

shadowmaksim wrote:And I don't even know what the heck Yurine is wearing.


Almost nothing.

shadowmaksim wrote:I don't really dislike any of them, except for maybe Yurine's.


You can't dislike what doesn't exist. :P.

["Just like that!"]

Re: Thoughts about the game...etc, etc (Story, gameplay, characters...the usual)

Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2016 3:54 pm
by Sleepyprinny99
neonie wrote:
Sleepyprinny99 wrote:
Holy crap...you are probably one of the most opinionated people I've ever met!!!!
Not, that's a bad thing per se...just something of my natural enemy disposition wise...at least it's fun talking to you.


Natural Enemy? That seems a bit over the top. Lol. Any particular reason why?

Sleepyprinny99 wrote: You say goofy, I say cute and with flair...a bit of tit for tat.


Reading the rest of your post, I kind of see where you're coming from with this. I'm not really into the whole "Scatter brained." Thing.

Sleepyprinny99 wrote:(speculation from what I know of her and the pink haired anime girl trope...total control freaks behind a smile).


Hm, I'm not really sure what you mean by this. Other than Gasai, Yuno, most of the pink haired girls I've seen in Anime are played pretty straight. It's not really a, "Bitch in Sheep's Clothing." Thing very often.

Sleepyprinny99 wrote:...my first impulse is to want to hit them.


Oh? Why's that?

Sleepyprinny99 wrote:She bugs me a little less than Ran did though...I actually pitied Ran's fragility.


I don't think I ever liked Ran at any point. Even her trials did not make me sympathize with her anymore. I just can't stand her butch persona at all.

Sleepyprinny99 wrote: Plus, blue is one of my favorite colors.


It's really more of a Teal/Aquamarine.

"Sleepyprinny99 wrote:See, I prefer longer hair too, but I can admit when it works for a lady and Mizuki, Sui and Tsukasa work for me....plus, big ass sword...a puppy with a big ass sword, wins every time.


I wouldn't call "Mizuki" a lady, though. Maybe that's another problem, she really reminds me more of a young boy.

"Sleepyprinny99 wrote:Sui...the only thing I dislike is her...big hat.


Pope hat.

"Sleepyprinny99 wrote: gyarus are either like or hate for me, and I don't mind her.


See, I actually like Gyarus in some cases. Tsukasa I don't think counts as a gyaru, though. Dark Skin does not a gyaru make. She's not nearly gaudy enough. The gaudy aspect is something I kind of like about gyarus, assuming it doesn't go overboard. Tsukasa just looks like she laid on a tanning bed too long.

"Sleepyprinny99 wrote: she has a halberd, scythe... thing, so yeah.


I do enjoy my self a scythe.

"Sleepyprinny99 wrote: Enri...is nice, but not my favorite design tbh, second or third favorite . I think her personality is what wins me over and that's all I'll comment on. Her look ties with Shinoa, Kuroe and/or Sui for me.


I'm not sure about her personality, to be honest. I tried to look into a bit of the characters earlier today, and I got a few impressions from their voice samples. (Lily's voice sample shows she is all of the oujo I want her to be and it makes me swoon.) But Enri doesn't have one.

"Sleepyprinny99 wrote:Maya only makes sense cuz she's a part of the Reformation Program staff...uniforms man, uniforms are part of the schtick!


To be honest, I think I would like the way Maya looks even if she had a goofy outfit like the other girls. Her hairstyle and type of character are also things I find appealing.

Sleepyprinny99 wrote:That's another thing I think the first game and this one will do very well with, showing you just who these gurls are...by the way they fight.


It is rather interesting that Lily appears to be a tank type character. I would expect most oujo types to either play the, "Attacker." Role, (Those fangs.) Or the, "Special." Role. (Buffing, status effects, ect. The role of, "Royalty." In something like Etrian Odyssey.)

shadowmaksim wrote:But with the cast for "CG 2", it seems to almost be the opposite. Instead of having prisoner clothes given some personal touches, it looks like they are just wearing regular clothes they'd otherwise wear normally which were just given a prisoner-ish look, aka, just slapping some stripes on them.


This is actually a good point, that I hadn't thought of. None of their prisoner uniforms are actually... Uniform.

shadowmaksim wrote:And I don't even know what the heck Yurine is wearing.


Almost nothing.

shadowmaksim wrote:I don't really dislike any of them, except for maybe Yurine's.


You can't dislike what doesn't exist. :P.

["Just like that!"]


When I speak of my "natural enemy" disposition wise...I mean, and it's a bit hard to put into words, hmmm...I guess it would be like how like repels like? To put it another way, it isn't that I'm not an opinionated person myself so much as I'm just one of a very different pace and stride and vibes may not mesh too cleanly...or like oil and water in a way. It isn't a bad tbing, just a defense I guess.

As for the designs itself...I can see where you and shadowmaksim feel it loses its cohesiveness relative to the setting. But, I this is where I see things...it's less about the place and more about the girls for one and that there's some very wrong with the system itself by this point. Two things to consider here:

1. Website alludes to this outright stating there should be 6, not 7 girls for the program and that one is a "fake".
2. Emphasis in individuals (the so called scatter brain design) over the more toned down look of the first game (overall prisoner vibe here) marks EVERY SINGLE GIRL as a potential liar and fake, so knowing who the convict is gets that much harder when everyone is equally suspicious from the start by being so loud designwise over the first game...though, I don't feel that way myself since the clothing isn't as big an issue for me and I kinda like these overall to CG 1, but that's me.

While not to the extreme of dear Gasai (thank god) the pink hair on a girl in many an anime...has always been the sign of a slightly unstable to deeply screwed up with control being a common thread...usually played up for humor...Baka and Test's Mizuki for example.

With "oujou types"...they can either decent human beings who are just prim and proper sheltered princesses who don't know any better...or they're just bitches who have their bitchiness amplified by their prim, proper and princess like background...either direction will always initially irk me towards violence.

The third, rarer, case is the one who is just plain nice from the get go but may or may not mean it...I'm wary of this type too and almost prefer the former cases as being less...troublesome at times.

With Ran...it wasn't so much her personality, but why it's there, that I could sympathize with...and why I pitied her fragility. Trust issues and feeling weak can be really deep scarring things that may cause some pretty extreme personalities here...in her case, uber masculine by comparison. Coping mechanisms are funny like that. I didn't mind it too much, especially from her sidequests that hint at her extreme self loathing at her own percieved powerlessness and desire for strength and catharsis. A bit deep maybe, but oh well...sorry.

Teal/aquamarine...blue....who cares...it's pretty (but thanks) and I like it. Kuroe plushie!

With Mizuki...she reminds me of my little sister who was a lot like that...little brats in general are kinda like that so maybe that's why I'm fond of her. She never struck me as a boy though. Just a puppy and plushie candidate....with a big sword.

Is that really a pope hat here on Sui? I dunno...look, my issue is that it's too damn big, both initially and in her knight form. Overly huge hats are...ugh, but I'm a tolerant guy so it's okay.

Tsukasa has that"gyaru" aesthetic to me...just very downplayed and less gaudy. Of course, she may just be tanned with very light hair from the start which is fine too but can be read either way just as easily.
To be fair, I was only remarking on the look superficially here in Tsukasa's case...I don't she's a gyaru type so much as she has the basic trappings of one one set on low.

Enri has a personality alright, and a rather interesting role in the game when paired with Maya, but yeah...she's meant to be vague I feel. She doesn't come off the way Himekami did with purposely screwing with everyone out of jealousy but who knows.

With Yurine...y'know, after hunting down images left and right...it grew on me so yeah...plus, big scyth...halberd thing!

With roles as well...are the two tracks you can pick from that affect what kinds of skills the girls can get and use. All I will spoil here is that, like Ran, Lily has Full Revive too but I'm not sure which track.

I think this should be pretty interesting with mage type characters since in CG 1 Alice could all but destroy everyone end game, especially with Tomoe and Ran in the party. I wanted more flexibility there with the girls, so CG 2's appriach excites me(analysis and all) plus, coaching intrigues me and adds that extra bit that makes me feel like part of the battles even more. Damn that useless Fried in battles...he was good everywhere BUT battles. At least with CG the MC is there equally in all parts of the game...it's weird he has no weapon at all though.

Re: Thoughts about the game...etc, etc (Story, gameplay, characters...the usual)

Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2016 6:40 am
by neonie
Sleepyprinny99 wrote:As for the designs itself...I can see where you and shadowmaksim feel it loses its cohesiveness relative to the setting.


Funnily, I actually usually don't like uniformity. It's actually one of the things that makes me dislike Love Live so much. I think the way they all look and dress in this extremely dull and undefining way just doesn't work for idols, where individuality means so much more. It's why I like Idol Master a lot better, in that regard.

Sleepyprinny99 wrote:it's less about the place and more about the girls for one and that there's some very wrong with the system itself by this point with the system.

1. Website alludes to this outright stating there should be 6, not 7 girls for the program and that one is a "fake".


Ugh. If this is true and the whole game is going to about finding out who the "fake" is, that kind of makes me... Not even want to play it anymore. I hate stories like that. It's what really turned me off of Rokka no Yuusha. I really have zero interest in playing through that sort of story.

Sleepyprinny99 wrote:While not to the extreme of dear Gasai (thank god) the pink hair on a girl in many an anime...has always been the sign of a slightly unstable to deeply screwed up with control being a common thread...usually played up for humor...Baka and Test's Mizuki for example.


I have provided a list below of characters I can remember who have played this character type straight, for your consideration:
Spoiler:
Millhiore from Dog Days.
Caro Ru Lushe from Nanoha.
Megumi from GJ-Bu.
Hacka Dorru #2 from Oyobi desu ka!? Hacka Doll.
Katsura, Hinagiku From Hayate no Gotoku.
Watashi from Jinrui wa Suitai Shimashita.
Hina from Ro-Kyu-By.
Ikaros from Sora no Otoshimono.
Ichigo from Sore ga Seiyuu.
Lizbeth from Sword Art Online. (Though a bit rough, is generally well meaning.)
Shellingford, Sherlock from Tantei Opera Milky Holmes.
Lala, Momo, and Nana from Motto to Love-Ru. (Especially Momo.) Nana may be suspect.
Kofuku from Noragami.


I was going to list Yuuki from Gakkou Gurashi, but as she is "unstable", I'm not sure she counts. Though her instability has less to do with control and more to do with trying to cope with the terrible world upon which she has been thrust into.

Sleepyprinny99 wrote:The third, rarer, case is the one who is just plain nice from the get go but may or may not mean it...I'm wary of this type too and almost prefer the former cases as being less...troublesome at times.


Actually, my least favorite two, "Oujo." Characters are Mugi from, "K-On!" And Mami from Madoka.

Sleepyprinny99 wrote:or they're just bitches who have their bitchiness amplified by their prim, proper and princess like background


Swoon!

Sleepyprinny99 wrote:With "oujou types"...they can either decent human beings who are just prim and proper sheltered princesses who don't know any better...


SWOON!

Sleepyprinny99 wrote:Is that really a pope hat here on Sui?


Probably not. But it reminds me of one. Lol.

Sleepyprinny99 wrote:Tsukasa has that"gyaru" aesthetic to me...just very downplayed and less gaudy. Of course, she may just be tanned with very light hair from the start which is fine too but can be read either way just as easily.
To be fair, I was only remarking on the look superficially here in Tsukasa's case...I don't she's a gyaru type so much as she has the basic trappings of one one set on low.


Hmm, we may just have to agree to disagree on this one. I think a more downplayed Gyaru is closer to like what Gyaru-Chan from Oshiete! Galko-chan is. She has the make-up and a bit of gaudyness, but isn't tan. I just think it's that slight bit of overly guadyness that really makes a Gyaru.

Sleepyprinny99 wrote:With roles as well...are the two tracks you can pick from that affect what kinds of skills the girls can get and use.


Ehhh? I didn't know that.

Sleepyprinny99 wrote:Damn that useless Fried in battles...he was good everywhere BUT battles. At least with CG the MC is there equally in all parts of the game...it's weird he has no weapon at all though.


I don't know who you're talking about here, lol. I don't remember the Player character having a combat role in the first game. They don't in this one either, do they?

Re: Thoughts about the game...etc, etc (Story, gameplay, characters...the usual)

Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2016 9:29 am
by Sleepyprinny99
@neonie

Don't worry, the game is NOT Rokka no Yuusha....it's using the whole 7th thing as a red herring....the plot doesn't go that route the whole way...just an arc of the overall story....From what I remember of the JPN version anyway. I...can't say more on that without spoiling it. The story is all about saving everybody from start to finish though...it's Criminal Girls after all so no worries. I do personally like mysteries though, and there is one here...just not what you're thinking....or I guess, the real issue isn't about a fake member at all, just part way for a bit. I'm not clear on the details (again, lack of Japanese competency) but the mystery bit has me excited.
Or to put it like this...You couldn't have the seven deadly sins theme here if one of them was really a fake right?
4 points for consideration here...
1. The enigmatic Enri, who is NOT a part of the group yet stands in your way at points...what is her role, other than seeming like Himekami?
2. Maya's role...both to the plot and as a member of the Reformation Program...seemingly like Miu.
3. Are you being told the whole truth? I mean, is there even a fake here at all? Even if there was, are they a convict or some poor schmuck like Himekami was with the Knight program...circumstances are anything but clear.
4. As evidenced in the first game, the Reformation program isn't perfect and somebody could be taking advantage of that...adding in that there might be a fake could very well be a lie...I think that's where the mystery lies...we don't know. All we do know is that, fake or not, you got 7 girls to save...that's really all you know. Plus red herrings are common when stated point blank like that in the website...I think so anyway.

Holy crap you like your "oujou samas"!!!

Yeah...about the Skills, S and M skills. Coaching plays into this too.

Oh yeah, Fried was the MC from Dungeon Travelers 2. He basically was doing everything but fight and had ZERO combat utility yet was responsible for everything from paperwork to prepping the party. I was just remarking that the Instructor, while not having a direct combat role, still one ups Fried in usefulness *in* combat because...
1. Directs girls via suggestions himself
2. Coaching in combat.
3. The Instructor is the one who uses the items and keeps the girls alive directly.
4. Trains the girls himself.

About the only thing he *doesn't* do shy of joining the frontline is defend the girls like Takuto from Omega Quintet.

The focus is on the girls sure, but a useless MC where it counts I can't stand...if you can't fight, be useful in fights some other way. Which is one reason I like Criminal Girls.

Re: Thoughts about the game...etc, etc (Story, gameplay, characters...the usual)

Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2016 10:10 am
by neonie
Sleepyprinny99 wrote:@neonie
Don't worry, the game is NOT Rokka no Yuusha....it's using the whole 7th thing as a red herring....the plot doesn't go that route the whole way...just an arc of the overall story....From what I remember of the JPN version anyway. I...can't say more on that without spoiling it. The story is all about saving everybody from start to finish though...it's Criminal Girls after all so no worries. I do personally like mysteries though, and there is one here...just not what you're thinking....or I guess, the real issue isn't about a fake member at all, just part way for a bit. I'm not clear on the details (again, lack of Japanese competency) but the mystery bit has me excited.


That assuage's my fears a little bit, but that also seemed like the way Rokka no Yuusha was going. That there wasn't "really" a fake. But I didn't follow it long enough to find out.

Sleepyprinny99 wrote:4. As evidenced in the first game, the Reformation program isn't perfect and somebody could be taking advantage of that...


I actually thought the reformation program bugged out and was destroyed at the end of the last game. Like, I thought it ended it some way that would make this sort of squeal not make sense, but maybe I'm remembering it wrong.

Sleepyprinny99 wrote:Holy crap you like your "oujou samas"!!!


It is... My greatest fantasy. =w=. Desu wa.

Just that haughty, vain, but often very feminine and fragile persona. Sometimes this expectation that things should be a certain way with just a totally warped interpretation of how the world works.

There are so many aspects as to why I enjoy that specific persona. It's like my own personal moe. I don't think I've even met anyone who enjoys it as much as I do. I feel like you could find people who like almost every other type of moe, but oujos don't get enough love.

Sleepyprinny99 wrote:Oh yeah, Fried was the MC from Dungeon Travelers 2.


Ah, ok! That explains why I didn't know who you were talking about, lol. I haven't played that game.

Sleepyprinny99 wrote:About the only thing he *doesn't* do shy of joining the frontline is defend the girls like Takuto from Omega Quintet.


I've also not played that one.

Sleepyprinny99 wrote:The focus is on the girls sure, but a useless MC where it counts I can't stand...if you can't fight, be useful in fights some other way. Which is one reason I like Criminal Girls.


Yeah, I actually kind of like the consular aspect of it.

Man just imagine if there was some sort of aspect to the game where after each chapter, you had to send progress reports and the game gave you options for how to grade them and a way to pick your opinion of what you thought of them so far and how they're progressing. That could be really fun.

Re: Thoughts about the game...etc, etc (Story, gameplay, characters...the usual)

Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2016 10:39 am
by Sleepyprinny99
neonie wrote:
Sleepyprinny99 wrote:@neonie
Don't worry, the game is NOT Rokka no Yuusha....it's using the whole 7th thing as a red herring....the plot doesn't go that route the whole way...just an arc of the overall story....From what I remember of the JPN version anyway. I...can't say more on that without spoiling it. The story is all about saving everybody from start to finish though...it's Criminal Girls after all so no worries. I do personally like mysteries though, and there is one here...just not what you're thinking....or I guess, the real issue isn't about a fake member at all, just part way for a bit. I'm not clear on the details (again, lack of Japanese competency) but the mystery bit has me excited.


That assuage's my fears a little bit, but that also seemed like the way Rokka no Yuusha was going. That there wasn't "really" a fake. But I didn't follow it long enough to find out.

Sleepyprinny99 wrote:4. As evidenced in the first game, the Reformation program isn't perfect and somebody could be taking advantage of that...


I actually thought the reformation program bugged out and was destroyed at the end of the last game. Like, I thought it ended it some way that would make this sort of squeal not make sense, but maybe I'm remembering it wrong.

Sleepyprinny99 wrote:Holy crap you like your "oujou samas"!!!


It is... My greatest fantasy. =w=. Desu wa.

Just that haughty, vain, but often very feminine and fragile persona. Sometimes this expectation that things should be a certain way with just a totally warped interpretation of how the world works.

There are so many aspects as to why I enjoy that specific persona. It's like my own personal moe. I don't think I've even met anyone who enjoys it as much as I do. I feel like you could find people who like almost every other type of moe, but oujos don't get enough love.

Sleepyprinny99 wrote:Oh yeah, Fried was the MC from Dungeon Travelers 2.


Ah, ok! That explains why I didn't know who you were talking about, lol. I haven't played that game.

Sleepyprinny99 wrote:About the only thing he *doesn't* do shy of joining the frontline is defend the girls like Takuto from Omega Quintet.


I've also not played that one.

Sleepyprinny99 wrote:The focus is on the girls sure, but a useless MC where it counts I can't stand...if you can't fight, be useful in fights some other way. Which is one reason I like Criminal Girls.


Yeah, I actually kind of like the consular aspect of it.

Man just imagine if there was some sort of aspect to the game where after each chapter, you had to send progress reports and the game gave you options for how to grade them and a way to pick your opinion of what you thought of them so far and how they're progressing. That could be really fun.



Rokka no Yuusha had 2 fakes, both really obvious but one is way screwed up in the how and why.
Criminal Girls 2 doesn't go that route, at all.

No, it was mentioned by Miu that multiple reformation trials are held concurrently and Maya is mentioned as an Instructor for "this sector". CG 1 just screwed with their reformation in a big way, but the overall system has its flaws regardless.

Lily's trailer just went up, have at her! You can love your Oujous...I fully support you man! They just have to grow on me is all. But yeah, you'll love Lily I think.

On that last point....THAT WOULD BE AWESOM!!!! Grading the girls I mean...nice!
A compromise here though, is that the MC has more chances both in dialogue options and voicing out loud over pure monologuing. He (you) are more included this time around.

But grading and reporting on the girls sounds so fun!

Re: Thoughts about the game...etc, etc (Story, gameplay, characters...the usual)

Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2016 1:01 am
by neonie
So I just watched the Lily trailer... And it kind of... Proved all of my fears about how the game is advertised/marketed/ect.

However, I'm not sure there actually is a way to do trailers or marketing for this sort of game in a way I would like. It's kind of why I've avoided watching all of the other trailers and stuff for it....

Actually, you know... Scratch that... There is one way to do a trailer for this that I would find really pleasing... But it would have had to already have existed for the Japanese version, and might cost more than it'd be worth it to make... Unless it was actually part of the game, which I wouldn't be opposed to either.

But, rather than the cheesy style of, "Words over game play footage." Style of trailer, if you did a very short animation for each of the girls trailers that showed you one of their aspects and a tiny bit of their backstory in their own words, but still left the whole picture for you to discover on your own in game, and then when you actually completed the girls story in game, the animation became complete to give you the real picture of what was going on, that could be really freaking cool.

Also, store is at 11%-25%. So it's still going.

Also, the Standard Edition is back up, for anyone who was waiting for that.

Re: Thoughts about the game...etc, etc (Story, gameplay, characters...the usual)

Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2016 1:57 am
by Sleepyprinny99
neonie wrote:So I just watched the Lily trailer... And it kind of... Proved all of my fears about how the game is advertised/marketed/ect.

However, I'm not sure there actually is a way to do trailers or marketing for this sort of game in a way I would like. It's kind of why I've avoided watching all of the other trailers and stuff for it....

Actually, you know... Scratch that... There is one way to do a trailer for this that I would find really pleasing... But it would have had to already have existed for the Japanese version, and might cost more than it'd be worth it to make... Unless it was actually part of the game, which I wouldn't be opposed to either.

But, rather than the cheesy style of, "Words over game play footage." Style of trailer, if you did a very short animation for each of the girls trailers that showed you one of their aspects and a tiny bit of their backstory in their own words, but still left the whole picture for you to discover on your own in game, and then when you actually completed the girls story in game, the animation became complete to give you the real picture of what was going on, that could be really freaking cool.

Also, store is at 11%-25%. So it's still going.

Also, the Standard Edition is back up, for anyone who was waiting for that.



Yeah, there are no good ways to do chara trailers for stuff like that...but I was commenting more on how you took to her transition to this side of the world...her "oujou" ness in translation...I guess? She seemed to fit your "swoon meter" criteria from what I caught.

That animated intro style intro would be nice...but yeah...hella expensive.
It is rarely used, but harx to put together so it doesn't happen much and usually not for RPGs like this. Crappy intro or not, it does do the job so I'll let it slide since it can still give some good insight if you narrow your expectations.

Yeah, I noticed how low the PB edition is at...crazy.

Well, lame intros aside, next up is Kuroe...I'm excited to see how she translates.
Still...that lack of audio during motivations will nevernot be awkward, especially in trailers.
I mean...it's surprisingly less irritating when you actually play it, but still awkward in a kinda creeper way.

Re: Thoughts about the game...etc, etc (Story, gameplay, characters...the usual)

Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2016 2:08 am
by Sleepyprinny99
Speaking of Kuroe...I'm real curious on her element inclination for spells..like how Alice loved ice spells or what her background details are.

From what I recall, some of the girls this time around were way more screwed up in what actually landed them in hell over CG 1 and Kuroe was one of them....I think?

Anyways, Kuroe and Sui are my bigger mysteries cuz they stand out, but Shinoa and Mizuki seem almost too out of place in some ways...but are kinda weirdly normal too...

At least these girls keep you guessing.
I know some details, but not clearly enough to be conclusive...which makes me that much more curious.

Re: Thoughts about the game...etc, etc (Story, gameplay, characters...the usual)

Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2016 2:18 am
by neonie
Sleepyprinny99 wrote:

Yeah, there are no good ways to do chara trailers for stuff like that...but I was commenting more on how you took to her transition to this side of the world...her "oujou" ness in translation...I guess? She seemed to fit your "swoon meter" criteria from what I caught.


Oh, sorry, to clarify, I wasn't responding to anything you said specifically, I was just commenting on the trailer it self.

In regards to her oujoness... That's another thing I don't think these trailers do well. I can't actually get a feel for her personality in three lines of dialogue, lol. The trailer doesn't really tell me anything about who she is. Just that she doesn't like teachers. So something probably happened in the past regarding her and a teacher.

Sleepyprinny99 wrote:That animated intro style intro would be nice...but yeah...hella expensive.
It is rarely used, but harx to put together so it doesn't happen much and usually not for RPGs like this. Crappy intro or not, it does do the job so I'll let it slide since it can still give some good insight if you narrow your expectations.


I'm not going to link to it, because it is, extremely, not safe for work, but you can probably find it if you go search for it on DL Site, but I don't think having Rondou Duo style cut-scenes would be completely impossible, or over budget, here. With the Live 2D they are already using. It doesn't need to look as good as Rondou duo, but I think it would make for a way nicer style of presentation than what is currently being used for the trailers.

You're already using the Live 2D for the mini-game, why not also use it, for some nicely animated cut-scenes?

Edit: Actually, I don't think DL Site actually has the Rondou Duo introduction scene. Which I think shows off what I'm actually talking about. It's trailer appears to show more of the... Lewd stuff.

Edit #2: PMed you a thing.