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Postby perrandy » Fri Jun 04, 2010 3:55 pm

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/20 ... -sales-dip
as an anime enthusiast(sp) i find it troublesome that navarre wants to sell funimation. i mean none sells a company in which they are making a profit from. so, i hope funi dont do a geneon or an adv to us cuz that would mean the death of R1 (dubbed) anime as we know it :?

i guess fansubs+bad economy= killed the anime industry :cry:

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Postby Louis6507 » Fri Jun 04, 2010 4:09 pm

Yeah, there's been a lot of news about sales figures in the US and even problems in Japan.

Families and people can't operate like the government. When people's bills start pilling up, they gotta stop spending as much on "luxuries."

I can't wait to see what attendance is like at A-Kon, in Vegas, is this weekend.
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Postby perrandy » Sun Jun 06, 2010 7:27 am

Louis6507 wrote:Yeah, there's been a lot of news about sales figures in the US and even problems in Japan.

Families and people can't operate like the government. When people's bills start pilling up, they gotta stop spending as much on "luxuries."

I can't wait to see what attendance is like at A-Kon, in Vegas, is this weekend.

and how are we going to see those figures? do they post it on the web or something??yeah things look bleak for the anime industry here in the states. i mean if funi goes under what will be left? namco- bandai,viz and who else? btw, both of these companies are starting to take less "risks" because they are beggining to do alots of sub instead of dub :0

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Postby Louis6507 » Sun Jun 06, 2010 10:33 am

I have a friend who lives in Vegas and is attending A-kon. So, I'll find out how that goes from her, when I speak to her on Monday. ^_~

As far as the news on the US industry and in Japan; I listen to a radio station that streams online, 91.8FM "The Fan." It's a 24/7 anime radio station. (Great, if you like listening to the music!) There's a show on Mon-Fri from about 3pm (East Coast time), and her news segment comes on at 4pm (EST). The show's called Kana's Korner. Honestly..I am amazed at her sources sometimes, but I guess when you're in the industry enough to even get on-air interviews with VO actors/actresses and artists and other important people...you get to find out some news ahead of most other people. ^_~ Her news segments cover everything from general anime, figures, all the game systems, and technology. She's even reported on certain Canadian and Japanese laws that anyone who collects certain genres of anime really should keep track of. lol ^_~

Many animators/artists in Japan are finding it more and more difficult to get work. If the global economy keeps going down, we'll see anime regress back to being an underground thing. I'm 30 years old, and I remember back to when if you couldn't speak/understand Japanese...you were stuck with Sailor Moon or what I just call pornography. Nothing against it, it's just not my style at all. And, I'd kinda rather it go away, because between that and the child stuff...it gives such a negative impression on anime. Many people not involved in the scene and are ignorant about it, will ask me if I like children or tentacles, because that's what they think anime is...

Personally, I'm a big Shojo fan. Even with western movies/books, I like dramas and love stories. I'll watch some mecha if it's got a good story. But, if it's all T&A, I just avoid it.

What it pretty much all boils down to is that if you love anime, now is the time to support it. Buy as much as you can afford to legally buy. I LOVE NIS for picking up Toradora, and will be giving away the anime as presents to all of my friends, just to have something to do with the extra copies I purchase. lol It may be a wasted effort, but each sale will encourage NIS to expand deeper into the anime market and maybe even begin dub work and Blu-Ray.
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Postby perrandy » Mon Jun 07, 2010 8:17 am

Louis6507 wrote:I have a friend who lives in Vegas and is attending A-kon. So, I'll find out how that goes from her, when I speak to her on Monday. ^_~

As far as the news on the US industry and in Japan; I listen to a radio station that streams online, 91.8FM "The Fan." It's a 24/7 anime radio station. (Great, if you like listening to the music!) There's a show on Mon-Fri from about 3pm (East Coast time), and her news segment comes on at 4pm (EST). The show's called Kana's Korner. Honestly..I am amazed at her sources sometimes, but I guess when you're in the industry enough to even get on-air interviews with VO actors/actresses and artists and other important people...you get to find out some news ahead of most other people. ^_~ Her news segments cover everything from general anime, figures, all the game systems, and technology. She's even reported on certain Canadian and Japanese laws that anyone who collects certain genres of anime really should keep track of. lol ^_~

Many animators/artists in Japan are finding it more and more difficult to get work. If the global economy keeps going down, we'll see anime regress back to being an underground thing. I'm 30 years old, and I remember back to when if you couldn't speak/understand Japanese...you were stuck with Sailor Moon or what I just call pornography. Nothing against it, it's just not my style at all. And, I'd kinda rather it go away, because between that and the child stuff...it gives such a negative impression on anime. Many people not involved in the scene and are ignorant about it, will ask me if I like children or tentacles, because that's what they think anime is...

Personally, I'm a big Shojo fan. Even with western movies/books, I like dramas and love stories. I'll watch some mecha if it's got a good story. But, if it's all T&A, I just avoid it.

What it pretty much all boils down to is that if you love anime, now is the time to support it. Buy as much as you can afford to legally buy. I LOVE NIS for picking up Toradora, and will be giving away the anime as presents to all of my friends, just to have something to do with the extra copies I purchase. lol It may be a wasted effort, but each sale will encourage NIS to expand deeper into the anime market and maybe even begin dub work and Blu-Ray.


okay, thanks a bunch for the reply.i might try listen to that station.anyways, like you i'm an older anime fan. i started watching anime at the age of 7 to shows like starzinger,mazinger z,doraemon,astro boy etc etc...
i agree with you that is a shame that ppl associate anime with porn.but thats a stigma that will never go away because it comes with the territory,if you know what i mean.i must say that i have watched my fair share of hentai but thats not my fav genre.like you i'm in to shojo's,like fushigi yuugi,the story of sankoku,ayashi no ceres ...well, you get the idea...i also, like action,mecha,comedy,slice of life etc etc ...i almost watch anything except lolicon and its variations.speaking of sailor moon i used to watch it as an adolecent with my sister till she got heartbroken cuz tuxedo mask was gay HAHA! (seriously,because of that she doesnt want anything to do with anime anymore)

in any case, i would glady accept any of your extra copies of tora dora :lol: (KIDDING KIDDING)good to see that your supporting nisa in this new adventure of theirs however i cant do the same due to the fact that i'm poorer than the average bear and that also i dont have a cc...I JUST hope that netflix will be able to get some copies of it :0

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Postby Solice » Mon Jun 07, 2010 9:49 am

perrandy wrote:http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2010-06-04/funimation-parent-navarre-reports-q4-anime-sales-dip
as an anime enthusiast(sp) i find it troublesome that navarre wants to sell funimation. i mean none sells a company in which they are making a profit from. so, i hope funi dont do a geneon or an adv to us cuz that would mean the death of R1 (dubbed) anime as we know it :?

i guess fansubs+bad economy= killed the anime industry :cry:


In reading this thread, I seem to recall the issue of "who could afford to sell a part of a company that's making money!?" The economics of this is simple: your core business is failing, or needs additional funds to prevent or turn around its failure. Taking an arm of the company that isn't supported by the core business (doesn't benefit from a synergy from within the company) and selling it for funds to clear the situation makes sense when the total sale value is far greater than the immediate income rate.

I can illustrate this using completely fictitious numbers. Lets say that Funimation has a net value (sale value) of $20m (tangible and intangible assets included), and its profit rate is $5m/year. The parent company just made 4 years worth of contribution to use for operation and dept repayment, assuming that all of the profits used to go to the parent company (which it likely didn't).

In a totally unrelated topic, a recent newsletter from Robert's Anime Corner Store says that the new dubs of Clannad are being purchased almost faster than they can stock, and are experiencing a deluge of people trading up their old subbed copies for the new dub sets.

RACS Newsletter wrote:And finally, I wanted to mention that the new dubbed Clannad sets are not only flying off the shelf, but the number of folks upgrading their old sub DVD's for the more expensive dubbed set has really taken us by surprise. Sub only fans argue all the time that there is no real demand for dubs in the core fan base, but this clearly shows differently - people really WANT Clannad with English dialog. Anyway, we've now shipped almost all of the trade ups that people requested, but demand has been so heavy we're close to running out of the sets after only one week. We've got more on order from Section 23, and we're hoping they will arrive soon because the demand for the dubbed set has just been crazy! [Update: We got more in today!]
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Postby bloodyaftertaste » Mon Jun 07, 2010 10:28 am

The dubs are out :o

Rushes to nearest online retailer.

Edit: Amazon says it's pre-order for June 15th. :?
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Postby Solice » Mon Jun 07, 2010 12:07 pm

bloodyaftertaste wrote:The dubs are out :o

Rushes to nearest online retailer.

Edit: Amazon says it's pre-order for June 15th. :?

HAHA! I ordered through Rightstuf.com and got it last week :)
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Postby Ar Tonelico » Thu Jun 10, 2010 5:03 am

I've already listened to the whole entire English dub of Clannad. It felt kind of bleh to me. I think they should of hired the director who directed Kanon and Air TV and movie English dubs because those were awesome and prove that the director knew just how to dub a series from Key/Visual Arts correctly. Or maybe just got rusty during that time of no dubbing including the actors. It's not like 1990s bad kind of English dub but still feels off to like most of the dubs they did in past which sounded great with the same actors.
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Postby RedCoKid » Thu Jun 10, 2010 9:30 am

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/20 ... scan-sites

If this is successful, anime & video game publishers will take notice.

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Postby Louis6507 » Tue Jun 15, 2010 9:03 am

RedCoKid wrote:http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2010-06-08/u.s-japanese-publishers-unite-against-manga-scan-sites

If this is successful, anime & video game publishers will take notice.


Is the article talking about going after sites that translate unlicensed (in English/North America), untranslated light novels and mangas? 0.o

I understand fan translations are a grey area in the 'is it legal or illegal' sense...however, good luck ever stopping it. If any website/forums took it to court by ignoring the cease and desist letters...the amount of money it would costs both sides would be crippling to any publishing company struggling in this economy.

I mean, let's be realistic...95% of the light novels will NEVER be licensed and translated into English "officially." I mean, the article only mentions manga specifically, but I recognize a few of those publishers listed as ones who also put out light novels.

Personally, I'm still polishing my Japanese grammar skills to effectively be able to translate some light novels because of how different some of these author's writing styles are. It's really tough work, being done by a fan base that doesn't get paid anything and technically has invested a lot of money to learn Japanese at such a level as to be able to effectively translate light novels.

Sounds to me like more RIAA BS... -_-||| Besides....in order to translate the light novels, we must purchase the original, Japanese copies and then scan and translate them. They'd have to some how make translating itself illegal. And, at least if you're an individual in the US fighting one of these lawsuits, it's easy to hurt the company. Just drag out the legal battle as long as you can afford, then when you lose, just declare bankruptcy. The company spent all that time and money to just shut down one web site address, that was since cloned and repopulated some where else on the web within the first week it goes down. lol I mean, a pdf file is so small it can be hosted anywhere...not even mentioning peer-to-peer networks or foreign ftp servers.

It's much more beneficial to the publishers to ignore this situation, than it would be to make it draw the attention of the main stream news agencies. Once these such communities become public knowledge, sure, the good ones will drive underground, but the immoral ones will just become a large bubble of popularity like an early Napster.

I always blame the publishers on this topic. English is my first language and I would much rather read light novels and mangas in English. However, because publishers do not release these titles in English, I must do the legwork of the translations. It's like Toradora Portable for the PSP. It's only sold in Japanese, and the demand for English translations/walk-throughs/ports is really pretty high among translation groups. Certainly high enough that NISA could sell many copies pretty quickly. Even with the fan works I have for the game, I'd still buy an English version if it was sold. Just like I've done with Toradora! I've watched my downloaded fan-sub over 3 times now, since I first found it. Yet, I've already pre-ordered a few copies of the official version from NISA, because I'd still rather have the collectibles. Fan works are great, but they NEVER beat LE packaging or actually having the product in your hands.
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Postby Louis6507 » Tue Jun 15, 2010 9:16 am

okay, thanks a bunch for the reply.i might try listen to that station.anyways, like you i'm an older anime fan. i started watching anime at the age of 7 to shows like starzinger,mazinger z,doraemon,astro boy etc etc...
i agree with you that is a shame that ppl associate anime with porn.but thats a stigma that will never go away because it comes with the territory,if you know what i mean.i must say that i have watched my fair share of hentai but thats not my fav genre.like you i'm in to shojo's,like fushigi yuugi,the story of sankoku,ayashi no ceres ...well, you get the idea...i also, like action,mecha,comedy,slice of life etc etc ...i almost watch anything except lolicon and its variations.speaking of sailor moon i used to watch it as an adolecent with my sister till she got heartbroken cuz tuxedo mask was gay HAHA! (seriously,because of that she doesnt want anything to do with anime anymore)

in any case, i would glady accept any of your extra copies of tora dora :lol: (KIDDING KIDDING)good to see that your supporting nisa in this new adventure of theirs however i cant do the same due to the fact that i'm poorer than the average bear and that also i dont have a cc...I JUST hope that netflix will be able to get some copies of it :0


Wow! Flashback! lol I remember way back when my high school sweet-heart and I pooled our money together to buy a Fushigi Yuugi box set together at one year's Mega-Con we attended. lol It was around $100usd if I remember right, and both of us had already blown $200+usd that weekend. It was a great series to watch. Sadly, she acquired the set in the break-up. lol Typical, right? lol

lol @ Tuxedo Mask. I never got that into Sailor Moon, but one of my good friend's in HS used to bitch about them making him gay.

We ALL hit rough spots with money. Ignore anyone who ever says otherwise. Especially in this economy right now. What kills my cash right now is the fact that I'm single and dating. lol Dates are pretty damned expensive now. Even the dinner and a movie thing can be between $75usd and $100usd. I might just move back to Asia next year. lol I'll go back to teaching English again. I made damned good money being an American over there. Or, maybe I'll do some call center work in the Philippines. The pay's pretty good for Americans there right now, and it's a short plane flight to and from Japan. Easy to take a few days vacation there every month.I just could never learn Tagalog. My brain already hurts from my Mandarin and Japanese. lol
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Postby Daverost » Wed Jun 16, 2010 7:30 am

Louis6507 wrote:I understand fan translations are a grey area in the 'is it legal or illegal' sense...however, good luck ever stopping it.


They've already shut down several sites. The targets aren't scanlators in general, but the sites that host scanlations for online viewing.
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Postby bloodyaftertaste » Wed Jun 16, 2010 7:56 am

For animes, mangas, etc that are already translated into english or are going to be, I think it is a good idea to shut these sites down. I buy lots of dvds and support the industry and I would hate to see them go away because these sites are killing their business. Though the official sites that gain money through ad revenue should still stay up for people to watch. That way it can still get people interested in them for people who don't have other means of watching the shows like me who only has adult swim to see a small portion of what there is and watching anime online sometimes gets me enough into a series for me to buy it when I'm not sure by a preview or description. Internet is becoming more and more of people's tvs these days and if companies can make it so and make money by ad revenue instead of charging people I think that would be a much better idea and would get rid of some of the problems with fan sites.
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Postby perrandy » Wed Jun 16, 2010 1:00 pm

Louis6507 wrote:
okay, thanks a bunch for the reply.i might try listen to that station.anyways, like you i'm an older anime fan. i started watching anime at the age of 7 to shows like starzinger,mazinger z,doraemon,astro boy etc etc...
i agree with you that is a shame that ppl associate anime with porn.but thats a stigma that will never go away because it comes with the territory,if you know what i mean.i must say that i have watched my fair share of hentai but thats not my fav genre.like you i'm in to shojo's,like fushigi yuugi,the story of sankoku,ayashi no ceres ...well, you get the idea...i also, like action,mecha,comedy,slice of life etc etc ...i almost watch anything except lolicon and its variations.speaking of sailor moon i used to watch it as an adolecent with my sister till she got heartbroken cuz tuxedo mask was gay HAHA! (seriously,because of that she doesnt want anything to do with anime anymore)

in any case, i would glady accept any of your extra copies of tora dora :lol: (KIDDING KIDDING)good to see that your supporting nisa in this new adventure of theirs however i cant do the same due to the fact that i'm poorer than the average bear and that also i dont have a cc...I JUST hope that netflix will be able to get some copies of it :0


Wow! Flashback! lol I remember way back when my high school sweet-heart and I pooled our money together to buy a Fushigi Yuugi box set together at one year's Mega-Con we attended. lol It was around $100usd if I remember right, and both of us had already blown $200+usd that weekend. It was a great series to watch. Sadly, she acquired the set in the break-up. lol Typical, right? lol

lol @ Tuxedo Mask. I never got that into Sailor Moon, but one of my good friend's in HS used to bitch about them making him gay.

We ALL hit rough spots with money. Ignore anyone who ever says otherwise. Especially in this economy right now. What kills my cash right now is the fact that I'm single and dating. lol Dates are pretty damned expensive now. Even the dinner and a movie thing can be between $75usd and $100usd. I might just move back to Asia next year. lol I'll go back to teaching English again. I made damned good money being an American over there. Or, maybe I'll do some call center work in the Philippines. The pay's pretty good for Americans there right now, and it's a short plane flight to and from Japan. Easy to take a few days vacation there every month.I just could never learn Tagalog. My brain already hurts from my Mandarin and Japanese. lol

wow blowing 200 bucks in a weekend. man you really hardcore! lol
also,wouldnt your friend be my sister? :lol: :lol:
so, you speak both mandarin and japanese. man, kudos to you cuz both languages are pretty tough to learn.also, thanks for your understanding and dont worry i dont pay attention to ppl that brags about their stuff anyway.in any case, good luck to you in any endeavour that you might take either here or in the philipines or anywhere else for that matters :)


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