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Re: Would you buy BRS The Game without the LE?

Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 7:04 am
by アクターレ
Daverost wrote:So... what? Like 20-25 years minimum? I'll manage.


The original Xbox is only ONE generation old, and Microsoft is still alive and kickin'.

Doesn't mean I can access the Live server and get my DLC back for it, since Microsoft pulled support for the Xbox 1. My Halo 2 maps are gone forever. And that's ONLY ONE CONSOLE GENERATION AGO.

You are very naive if you think Sony will keep PSN access and game library downloads for their older systems once the newer consoles become mainstream. It costs them money to keep this stuff up for download.

The only DD service that really is even remotely trustworthy to keep your links to your old games working is Steam, and even then I personally wouldn't trust them with my stuff.

Consider yourself lucky if your PSN purchases work in the next 5 years, let alone the next 20.

Re: Would you buy BRS The Game without the LE?

Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 2:51 pm
by artemisthemp
vampko wrote:
アクターレ wrote:I think some of you guys who laugh at this are going to be in for a very rude awakening in a few years when you get the urge to replay Disgaea or something, and you find your PSP won't turn on for whatever reason, and you can't redownload the games to another console since Sony cut the service.

CFW FTW :P

Also, my PSP's UMD drive broke long before Sony cut the service or whatever.

And finally, I rarely get the urge to go back and play games. And if I do, an emulator serves just fine. And I'm sure by the time this scenario happens computers will be able to emulate the PS3. And, as I said, the PSP's already an open book, so it's just a matter of buying another PSP.

Vampko you forget Digital Copies work on vita

Re: Would you buy BRS The Game without the LE?

Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 3:51 pm
by vampko
artemisthemp wrote:
vampko wrote:
アクターレ wrote:I think some of you guys who laugh at this are going to be in for a very rude awakening in a few years when you get the urge to replay Disgaea or something, and you find your PSP won't turn on for whatever reason, and you can't redownload the games to another console since Sony cut the service.

CFW FTW :P

Also, my PSP's UMD drive broke long before Sony cut the service or whatever.

And finally, I rarely get the urge to go back and play games. And if I do, an emulator serves just fine. And I'm sure by the time this scenario happens computers will be able to emulate the PS3. And, as I said, the PSP's already an open book, so it's just a matter of buying another PSP.

Vampko you forget Digital Copies work on vita

My Vita has a 4GB memcard. My PSP has an 8GB. Obviously I'm sticking with my PSP for PSP games most of the time.

Re: Would you buy BRS The Game without the LE?

Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 6:40 pm
by Daverost
アクターレ wrote:
Daverost wrote:So... what? Like 20-25 years minimum? I'll manage.


The original Xbox is only ONE generation old, and Microsoft is still alive and kickin'.

Doesn't mean I can access the Live server and get my DLC back for it, since Microsoft pulled support for the Xbox 1. My Halo 2 maps are gone forever. And that's ONLY ONE CONSOLE GENERATION AGO.

You are very naive if you think Sony will keep PSN access and game library downloads for their older systems once the newer consoles become mainstream. It costs them money to keep this stuff up for download.

The only DD service that really is even remotely trustworthy to keep your links to your old games working is Steam, and even then I personally wouldn't trust them with my stuff.

Consider yourself lucky if your PSN purchases work in the next 5 years, let alone the next 20.


Naive? No. Informed. Sony already said they're pushing to eventually get as many different systems worth of games up and running on a single console in the future. Anything digital will theoretically be available (whether through Gaikai streaming or whatever). Pretty sure they specifically mentioned PSP as well.

Either way, if Sony pushes BC as their systems go forward (PS1 games on every system, PSP games on Vita, minis on everything, eventual PS3 streaming on PS4, etc.) then there's no reason for content to go away.

The difference between you and I is that I know what Sony said and you're just guessing.

Re: Would you buy BRS The Game without the LE?

Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 7:51 pm
by Qefimo
And I'm sure by the time this scenario happens computers will be able to emulate the PS3.

This is a flawed assumption. We're getting close to maxing out the physical capabilities of silicon-based hardware. In about ten years, it will probably happen.

To accurately emulate a device such as the PS3, a PC would need to be like, 10 times more powerful than one. Will we reach that point with home consumer PCs before hitting the wall?

Re: Would you buy BRS The Game without the LE?

Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 8:27 pm
by アクターレ
Daverost wrote:Naive? No. Informed. Sony already said they're pushing to eventually get as many different systems worth of games up and running on a single console in the future. Anything digital will theoretically be available (whether through Gaikai streaming or whatever). Pretty sure they specifically mentioned PSP as well.

Either way, if Sony pushes BC as their systems go forward (PS1 games on every system, PSP games on Vita, minis on everything, eventual PS3 streaming on PS4, etc.) then there's no reason for content to go away.

The difference between you and I is that I know what Sony said and you're just guessing.


Look, if you want to trust the words of a giant corporation that only cares about money, go right ahead. I choose not to, and instead to trust in the physical media that has yet to betray me in all the years I have used it.

Qefimo wrote:
And I'm sure by the time this scenario happens computers will be able to emulate the PS3.

This is a flawed assumption. We're getting close to maxing out the physical capabilities of silicon-based hardware. In about ten years, it will probably happen.

To accurately emulate a device such as the PS3, a PC would need to be like, 10 times more powerful than one. Will we reach that point with home consumer PCs before hitting the wall?


This is a very good point.

There are other problems with digital downloads too. What if I just want to take a game to a friend's house and play it? With discs, I just simply take the disc over. With DD, I have to drag over the entire console since the content is typically stuck to the system I downloaded it on, or has a download limit, etc.

What if I want to borrow a game off someone and lend them one of mine? Again, not a problem with discs, but cannot be done with digital.

What if a game turns out to blatantly suck? Again, not a problem with discs, I can sell the game on ebay and at least get some money for it. With digital, I am stuck with it.

The only advantage to digital downloads is the convenience of not having to leave your house to get them. They are completely anti-consumer in pretty much every other regard. Companies only push this method because it empowers them while heavily limiting what you can do with your "purchase".

Why some people are so eager to give up their consumer rights for such minor conveniences completely baffles me sometimes.

Re: Would you buy BRS The Game without the LE?

Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 6:12 am
by shymel94
I believe some companies, such as Amazon, have been looking into the idea of used digital products. So in the future we might not be stuck with a digital copy of a game we don't want.

Re: Would you buy BRS The Game without the LE?

Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 8:47 am
by Rednal
It might be very DRM-y by nature, but you could give up your right to download it in the future, and in exchange, receive store credit...?

Re: Would you buy BRS The Game without the LE?

Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 9:28 am
by Ar Tonelico
I wanted the Limited Edition, but I still have a $20 PSN card waiting for the game to come out.

Re: Would you buy BRS The Game without the LE?

Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 10:14 am
by caren103
Has the game been already released in the US PSN? The launch date was 23rd April.

Re: Would you buy BRS The Game without the LE?

Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 1:39 am
by artemisthemp
caren103 wrote:Has the game been already released in the US PSN? The launch date was 23rd April.

Yes it's have releases in US https://store.sonyentertainmentnetwork. ... 0000001111

Re: Would you buy BRS The Game without the LE?

Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 10:46 pm
by Discoceris
Daverost wrote:The difference between you and I is that I know what Sony said and you're just guessing.


You're putting faith in a company that is going through some financial problems and management restructuring. You're also talking about a corporation, where corporations do not, have not and will not ever honor every promise (maybe even 10% if you're lucky) they've made to their customers.

My money is on the, 'sorry, you'll have to re-purchase these games in order to play them on future systems/platforms'. But hey, at least they're going to make as many titles accessible and from a single account, rather than force you to have multiple accounts for multiple systems and devices. That's already a win in my book.

Re: Would you buy BRS The Game without the LE?

Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 8:37 pm
by Daverost
Again, guesses.

They've already said it's very possible to do and they're looking to do it down the line. It simply won't be something that's ready at launch. The president of Gaikai said it, too. It's been directly confirmed by two official sources.

Re: Would you buy BRS The Game without the LE?

Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 8:20 am
by ragnar14
アクターレ wrote:You do not own digital products, you are buying a license to PLAY them for the time they are supported. With physical discs, they are essentially your's forever since they are not tied to a system.

If my N64 breaks down, all I have to do is ebay another one and all my games work fine on it.

I think some of you guys who laugh at this are going to be in for a very rude awakening in a few years when you get the urge to replay Disgaea or something, and you find your PSP won't turn on for whatever reason, and you can't redownload the games to another console since Sony cut the service.


You do know discs and rom chips eventually degrade, right? Certainly the lifespan you'll get out of a physical copy should exceed a digital purchase (*cough* XBL has actually removed current gen content), it doesn't mean it'll last forever. The only way to get forever is to backup stuff. As long as you don't go piratety crazy it's a perfectly fair use, and you shouldn't have any moral issues with it.

Re: Would you buy BRS The Game without the LE?

Posted: Thu May 02, 2013 7:19 am
by アクターレ
While I am sure they will degrade eventually, I have Atari games made in 1977 that STILL work perfectly fine.

36 year old games, still work.

I have audio CDs that were made back when the format came out in 1982. 31 year old CDs, still work perfectly.

So, sure, the plastic will degrade EVENTUALLY, but then again, its not like we live forever anyways.