Why hasn't NISA published an Xbox 360 title yet?

[soundmonkey44]

Personally I think there arn't any NISA games on the 360, cause its primarilly seen as a consle for shooters & NFL games.

[lopez]

Atlus tried publishing some RPG games on the 360 and look where that got them...

It all goes back to the idea of trying something new. The 360 is mostly shooters and sports games and the 360 demographic likes it that way. A few 360 only RPG games came out (Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey) and the sales weren't that great, well at least not enough to warrant interest from developers/publishers to put more RPG's on the 360.

NISA is probably looking at the sales of the few RPG's on the 360 and thinking.... let's try the Wii and PS3 instead...

Even using big name Japanese legends like Nobou Uematsu and Hironobu Sakaguchi didn't really help the RPG movement on the 360...

[soundmonkey44]

The only thing My 360 is good for is Fighters & Collections of Retro games...If Only NISA would make a Smash bros like fighter with there , IF & Gusts characters & release it on PS3 or 360.

but thats just wishful thinking.

[odinfan]

NIS Japan, you mean.... but that would be really cool.

[Eelcire]

Cross Edge Dash is always an option for NISA, as NIS has already put the game out in Japan for 360 Would love to see Disgaea 3 make it over as well for the 360, but that's probably a pipe dream. Even if the Xbox 360 is seen as the 'shooter box', it still has a large enough user base to support a wide variety of genres.

I'll be picking up Record of Agarest War for my Xbox 360 when it hits the states, and I certainly hope I can support NISA in some form in the future as well.

[noexcusepunk]

Star Ocean: Last Hope, Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey, Eternal Sonata, Tales of Vesperia, Ect.

All these games hit the 360 and I picked them up. I'm a huge fan of JRPG's, Obviously, or I wouldn't be here.
That said I think NISA really underestimates the amount of people who own a 360 and would play the games in question.
If we were to imagine sales for the 360 were based on a percentage system on how many 360's have been sold versus how many games were sold, keeping in mind the inherent niche that JRPG's find themselves in, I would dare to say you would find the number on the 360 side and on the PS3 side very similar in terms of percentage based on the few cross platform games the PS3 has received in terms of the already few JRPG's available state-side for the PS3 console. The difference is that there are FAR more people who own a 360, which gives that percentage on the 360 side much more weight, even though they might be similar.
In turn, I believe this to indicate that NISA's time better spent accordingly.
The funny thing is, I personally know many who have purchased a 360 simply because of the large amount of JRPG titles that began to come to it while the PS3 stayed Silent or only offered one or two games.
I believe this to be the case of many JRPG fans, and have yet to see any proof refuting the theory, though I do find myself hard pressed to find large support behind it as well.
The truth is, is that Square-Enix has the right approach, and if two versions of the game are possible, then the Gust and companies like it that NIS and NISA help localize games for should folloow suit in order to maximize exposure and thus, sales.

Examples can be seen here:

PS3 Eternal Sonata Sales in Japan and America:

[url]http://www.vgchartz.com/swlaunch.php?reg1=Japan&game1=Eternal+Sonata+-+PS3[27150]&reg2=America&game2=Eternal+Sonata+-+PS3[27150]&reg3=All&game3=&weeks=100[/url]

XB360 Eternal Sonata Sales in Japan and America:

[url]http://www.vgchartz.com/swlaunch.php?reg1=Japan&game1=Eternal+Sonata+-+X360[7488]&reg2=America&game2=Eternal+Sonata+-+X360[7488]&reg3=All&game3=&weeks=125
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As you can see, the rate of growth in sales and sales over a longer period of time are very similar, and naturally there are just simply MORE on the 360.

[Tiredman]

I bought a xbox 360 due to its overwhelming number of rpg's compared to sony. That, and the ps3 was so overpriced, it wasn't funny, and I hated seeing them be rpg lite for Americans. So I, who used to be a sony fanboy till they took away my backwards compatibility, and went rpg lite, migrated to xbox. I own every.....and I mean every.....rpg out for the xbox 36o in America. I havent played them all. I can count the number on ps3 with 1 hand, or could a year ago when I got my Xbox.

I guess I should specify something, I am not talking about elder scrolls type rpg's. I mean my jrpg's. It hurt me badly when Disgaea 3 went ps3 only. It almost drove me to buy a ps3, but I finally said screw it, I prefered the quantity on the xbox to the 2 on the ps3. I am an rpg gamer, and I don't want to play 2 games and that be it. I know now its up a few more, but still, xbox is releasing them all the time.

I do have one big gripe with xbox rpg's, a lot of them are utter crap that are all flash and no substance. Star Ocean 3? Crap story, 3/4th's of the characters suck, and the fighting system was massacred from being really user friendly and responsive to being a button mashing affair. That is the problem with a lot of the games being released on the 360. Thats one reason I want some actual jrpg's released. Tales of Vesperia is a good time, my only gripe with it is its bonus dungeon is crap compared to other Tales of games. I would rather have solid story, solid gameplay, and lower standard graphics for the generation rather than the prettiest, horribly maimed control scheme, gutted storyline, and highly annoying main characters with ridiculous names like Edge Maverick, game.

[Elysion Zero]

Yes, i understand where you're coming from, but what evidence do you have that it will last in the long run? The lack of quality PS2 titles(like Sakura Wars) after this year makes sure that it is on its last legs. The only games I see coming out are either Sports titles, which I don't think anyone has an interest in at this point, or third party games like DDR(might still be fun for some, but I've moved on) and the Singstar series.

Evidence? Super Robot Taisen Original Generations and Super Robot Taisen Original Generation Gaiden. Two quality PS2 titles being released after Sakura Taisen that will make the PS2 last in the long run.

So I, who used to be a sony fanboy till they took away my backwards compatibility, and went rpg lite, migrated to xbox

If the 360 has more RPGs then I suppose it makes sense. However, PS3 will likely have quality over quantity. With the price dropping as time passes, it's only a matter of time before the PS3 becomes the Grungust Nishiki M of consoles. The PS3 will be stronger than the Gespenst Mk-II (PS2) and developing numerous games of a higher quality for it will become a far better business strategy as a lower price will attract more buyers like the smart consumer who held off on buying the console until it didn't cost an arm and a leg. The PS3 will become the next PS2 when the price drops $100-$150 and they start providing 100% backwards compatibility to compete with the Wii’s 100% backwards compatibility. Of course, that’s only enough for developers. Once the developers hop on board the Cheap Awesome Console Express and start providing it with a worthwhile library of games, the fans will follow suit and BUY BABY BUY!

That said I think NISA really underestimates the amount of people who own a 360 and would play the games in question.

Something’s not right here…

That said I think NISA really underestimates the amount of people who own a PS2 and would play the games in question.

Fixed - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_be ... e_consoles

Before people start complaining about how undervalued the 360 consumer base is, there’s a couple niche games for the PS2 called Super Robot Taisen Original Generations and Super Robot Taisen Original Generation Gaiden that have yet to be localized. Yo noexcusepunk, I'm really happy for you, I'mma let you finish but the PS2 is the best selling console of all time. The best selling console of all time! That’s why our consumer base is far more undervalued at this point. Heck, you 360 guys even got Zoids Assault. It’s not a good game. It didn’t sell well. Even serving a niche, the game itself was rather unpopular by those standards. And yet it came out because NEW NEXT GEN CONSOLES ARE DA BOMB DIGGITY YO! At least many in the industry seem to think so, and sometimes they’re very very wrong. Basically the 360 audience is overvalued to the point that Atlus thinks it’s more worthwhile to sell them crap, no offense to the Zoids fans who actually liked the game, than to sell the owners of the highest selling console of all time a game full of manly passion, hotblooded yelling and inspiring plot. And Atlus is a publisher that, like NISA, prides itself on releasing niche games. Of course, for the sake of my point I’m ignoring the fact that their adopting such a mainstream moneymaking mindset defeats their claims of targeting true niche markets, markets that will actually buy the games they’re sold..

If you still want to talk about how the amount of people who own a 360 is underestimated, take a ticket and stand in line. It’ll be a bit of a wait, though. There are four fanbases ahead of you guys who have their own beef with the industry writing them off at times: Playstation 2, Nintendo DS, Wii and Playstation Portable. Of course, fans supporting niche titles for other fans is a matter of courtesy. HOWEVER! It’s a courtesy given to those with the courtesy to wait their turn before crying UNDERVALUED. If NISA isn’t releasing titles for the 360, aside from the TBA Cross Edge Dash on GameFAQs, it’s because the 360 isn’t very popular in Japan nor is it that popular in America. There may be a few niche games here and there worth localizing, but they can wait until the more undervalued consumer bases are appeased. Until then, asking why NISA isn’t localizing games on a console dominated by and popular among fans of shooters and sports does little more than display a lack of awareness regarding what kind of console the 360 is. If it’s niche games and an abundance of quality JRPGs you want, then the PS3 is a better choice because it will eventually succeed the PS2. This will be more evident when the price tag drops a bit more and developers start making more good JRPG and niche games for it. Ar Tonelico III and Star Ocean 4 are already coming out soon. They’re the first of many that will come later on. Heck, Japan has’t written off the PS2 at all. They’re still releasing games for it, and some good niche games may still come out for the highest selling console of all time. The highest selling console of all time!

[noexcusepunk]

If the 360 has more RPGs then I suppose it makes sense. However, PS3 will likely have quality over quantity. With the price dropping as time passes, it's only a matter of time before the PS3 becomes the Grungust Nishiki M of consoles.

Conjecture is a wonderful thing. The things that dreams are made of, though often of late just made up of said dreams. The problem is we're stating the facts and theories on TODAYS situation, not what might be in a few years. And even more frustrating is the fact that the PS3 is HOW far into it's 10 year cycle and has yet to deliver on the majority of it's lofty promises.

The PS3 will be stronger than the Gespenst Mk-II (PS2) and developing numerous games of a higher quality for it will become a far better business strategy as a lower price will attract more buyers like the smart consumer who held off on buying the console until it didn't cost an arm and a leg. The PS3 will become the next PS2 when the price drops $100-$150 and they start providing 100% backwards compatibility to compete with the Wii’s 100% backwards compatibility.

Again, this has to do with much further down the line when they are already putting the last touches on their next console, so the PS3 will no longer be the "next gen console of choice" for anyone. Not to mention that Sony will STILL, as has been the case from the beginning, not be making money off the actual sale of their system, as they are forced to lower the price consistently in order to compete with the MUCH more realistically priced (due to their lower cost in production) competitors.

Of course, that’s only enough for developers. Once the developers hop on board the Cheap Awesome Console Express and start providing it with a worthwhile library of games, the fans will follow suit and BUY BABY BUY!

THIS comment actually makes sense. Or would if you knew how difficult it actually is to develop on the TOTALLY different kind of setup the PS3 has (I apologize if you were aware of this). You see, for over a decade people have been programming for the PowerPC platform that every console was based off of post the 16-bit era. The issue in question comes from the Cel processor itself and the Flex I/O's and any number of architectural differences and challenges that the PS3 platform represents. Basically, it means people have to be trained on the knew platforms, development which has been streamlined over many console generations has to b thrown out the door, and new processes have to be configured.
Basically, it'll take more TIME. And THAT's pretty much the main reason why the PS3 has been lacking, hasn't it?
Too long for Exclusives to come out.
Too long for those niche RPG titles to appear.
Too long for Home to appear.
Ect.
Just Too long, while your competitors are raging full steam ahead on more quality exclusives than the ps3 exclusives can simply keep up with. Namely the XB360, as I'm pretty much out of touch with the Wii once I sold it after being fed up with the mountain of not very satisfying games (for me) though they definitely sell well.

That said I think NISA really underestimates the amount of people who own a 360 and would play the games in question.

Something’s not right here…

That said I think NISA really underestimates the amount of people who own a PS2 and would play the games in question.

Fixed - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_be ... e_consoles

Before people start complaining about how undervalued the 360 consumer base is, there’s a couple niche games for the PS2 called Super Robot Taisen Original Generations and Super Robot Taisen Original Generation Gaiden that have yet to be localized. Yo noexcusepunk, I'm really happy for you, I'mma let you finish but the PS2 is the best selling console of all time. The best selling console of all time! That’s why our consumer base is far more undervalued at this point.

I ... see. So, putting aside that I've never said ANYTHING about the PS2 NOT being one of the highest selling consoles of all time, and not even really mentioning that I'm a happy ps2 and frustrated ps3 owner myself (bought one off a friend recently for $180 because he got tired of the lack of RPG titles, ironically enough), what relevance does this have with my show and tell whatsoever?

Heck, you 360 guys even got Zoids Assault. It’s not a good game. It didn’t sell well.

This is usually here you post the, you know, link to proof. Don't worry, "Imma gonna let you finish".

If you still want to talk about how the amount of people who own a 360 is underestimated, take a ticket and stand in line. It’ll be a bit of a wait, though. There are four fanbases ahead of you guys who have their own beef with the industry writing them off at times: Playstation 2, Nintendo DS, Wii and Playstation Portable.

Stop right there. Go online, do a simple search, and pull up PS2, DS, and PSP RPG titles, then hopfully your hopes will be lifted. Because there are FAR MORE RPG's for all of those consoles than on the 360 and PS3.
Simple fact. That's a lot of charts to pull up, so I'll trust you to do the search yourself instead of posting it. That's what Google is for.

Of course, fans supporting niche titles for other fans is a matter of courtesy. HOWEVER! It’s a courtesy given to those with the courtesy to wait their turn before crying UNDERVALUED. If NISA isn’t releasing titles for the 360, aside from the TBA Cross Edge Dash on GameFAQs, it’s because the 360 isn’t very popular in Japan nor is it that popular in America.

Actually ,the WII is king in both countries, and next in line is DS, PSP, 360 and then ps3 in America; DS, PSP, PS3, and then 360 in Japan. The last two can be seen for example in my previous post in terms of sales on RPG's however, and why there are more sold on 360.

There may be a few niche games here and there worth localizing, but they can wait until the more undervalued consumer bases are appeased. Until then, asking why NISA isn’t localizing games on a console dominated by and popular among fans of shooters and sports does little more than display a lack of awareness regarding what kind of console the 360 is. If it’s niche games and an abundance of quality JRPGs you want, then the PS3 is a better choice because it will eventually succeed the PS2.

Right, again with the time issue, and yet right now the 360 has shown that NOT to be the case, in both sales in Japan and in America FOR THE SAME GAMES. Or did you NOT read my previous post or look at the examples?
Do you have sources for this? I was hoping you would provide some as I have.
Here's some for American Console sales:
http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1= ... &weeks=156
And of Course Japan:
http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1= ... &weeks=156
What you'll see is the same as I said above a few lines back.

This will be more evident when the price tag drops a bit more and developers start making more good JRPG and niche games for it. Ar Tonelico III and Star Ocean 4 are already coming out soon. They’re the first of many that will come later on. Heck, Japan has’t written off the PS2 at all. They’re still releasing games for it, and some good niche games may still come out for the highest selling console of all time. The highest selling console of all time!

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Thing is, is that Ar tonelico III is one heck of a niche title. Due to limited funds, it will appear on one console. However, to maximize their profit from their niche market, of which I clearly showed was in more abundance on the 360, would also be wise once they gain what I'm sure we all hope to be a great success on the PS3. Star Ocean 4 is coming to ps3 because it did well on the 360 for the niche game it was, and they felt the lower number of people on ps3 would be worth a port, adding in a few extras and then calling it a day, because they wanted to maximize their earnings and audience. This was said in an interview I believe, though I lament I can not find the source, so I can't really call it a fact.
The PS2 is still running strong, I don't think anyone can deny that, and I hope to see more localizations for it as well. And I really do hope that the PS3 get's it's day in the sun to finally appear. But with it's current state of affairs, Sony is really in trouble. They really need the PS3 to start selling more.
It already has picked up a bit, but needs much more to cover the amount of money they have lost on the console already.
You do know the Sony North American CEO resigned right after the "Missteps" of the PS3 launch and the then after problems, right?
Source: http://www.pcworld.com/article/131259/h ... signs.html

IT is speculated that it was also due to other reasons, though nothing can be made concrete.

[shymel94]

http://www.siliconera.com/2010/01/27/fa ... 360-games/
Maybe Nippon Ichi can hear you guys/girls/ect.

[odinfan]

Wow, it's like that article was made specifically for this topic.... heh. Might be them, who knows? If it's true, you know NISA is probably already on it. A good strategy is getting your games out to many demographics, having a solid line-up is only half of the puzzle. You can't really sell if you're stuck on one machine, however loyal your company is.

That's why I don't particularly like exclusives.

[Elysion Zero]

Moderated. Will re-post, if poster behaves for awhile.

[shymel94]

Elysion Zero, do you really need to go into every topic you post in and worm Super Robot in it? What's wrong with people want NISA to publish Xbox 360 games over what you want them to publish?

[odinfan]

Moderated, debating is okay, fighting with each other isn't.

[Hellfire99X]

I'm going to avoid the "other" topic that's sprung up in this thread, because it really doesn't belong here. I'm not a fan of spam. >.>

In regards to the larger, general question of the console wars, I'm having a really hard time predicting who the winner will be this round. Part of me hopes for the PS3's success, but I also realize that -- literally -- if it weren't for Ar tonelico III, I wouldn't own a PS3 right now. (However, it being on the PS3 also got me to pick up a copy of Cross Edge along with the console. )

On the other hand, I already own a Wii for other unrelated games, and up until I'd heard about this recent wave of new PS3 RPGs, I'd already considered the Wii to be the winner. Now, I'm not so sure...

On the other... other hand... I can't think of a single Xbox 360 game that I want. About the only thing I can fathom doing with that console is trying to import Metal Wolf Chaos (a crazy Xbox-JP shooter game) along with it and seeing if it's compatible.

(And randomly, the lack of PS2 compatibility on my PS3 doesn't bother me so much -- my PS2 still works just fine, and I have several reasons for wanting to keep it versus using a BC PS3. It needs a new optical drive though.. the original is starting to wear down. Maybe my next project...)

If I had to make my own prediction regarding the current-gen console wars... I'd say the Wii will probably be the winner in the short term, until Nintendo releases a new console to replace it. But the PS3 might turn out to be the winner in the very long term (10+ years), thanks to the hardware it's packing. Assuming Sony doesn't push the PS4 out the door inside of 5 years, which I think would be rather suicidal if they're indeed still losing money per PS3 console.

As for the original thread topic, why NISA hasn't release any 360 titles... I can't really answer that. I'm sure there are games out there that need to be localized, but I can't think of any, since I don't own the console myself. Here's hoping some games get localized for you, though!