Zetsubear wrote:Regarding the Fuyuhiko vs Hiyoko crap,Spoiler:Hiyoko, a Fake Cutie self-centered bully with very little in terms of character development even after her Morality Pet Mahiru died and did nothing to really contribute to any cases before her own death. Not helped by the fact her two main targets both had long and painful histories with being bullied in school, and she is never called out by anyone for her abuse. Eventually, one of her targets ends up killing her, but it's only because Hiyoko spotted her killing someone else and not out of revenge for being a constant victim of Hiyoko's abuse. It's somewhat telling that in discussions of Chapter 2, more people tend to sympathize with Fuyuhiko (who's largely responsible for the murder), and Peko (the killer) than they do with Hiyoko. The fact that she was originally going to be one of the survivors as the Byakuya parallel before being swapped with the much more likeable Fuyuhiko doesn't help her case either, since we can't tell what her original arc would have been like due to Fuyuhiko's development having a much stronger early in-game basis, while what we do see from her ends up being far too little much too late for most players and seems more like an Informed Attribute
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I sympathized more with Hiyoko. And, Fuyuhiko's "development" was lightspeed. Even then, he barely was anyone who needed development in the first place. He just was one big tsundere that tsun tsun'd and secretly tried to always get along with everyone. All Peko's death did was get rid of the tsun'ing. He wanted to do all that stuff originally. BARELY ANYTHING CHANGED!!! Hiyoko had had a past where she couldn't trust anyone and would constantly be bullied herself, to the point she was forced to live with other relatives and couldn't even be with her parents anymore. Her parents whom she actually did love. So, she built up a personality to deal with that. A personality that Mahiru saw through. Even while doing all of Hiyoko's hope fragments, (except the last one I don't know yet, as I didn't make it to the final completed one), Hajime doesn't really truly understand Hiyoko. He starts to, and then reverts because of some backbiting remark she makes. Not to mention how Hiyoko actually was a real enigma with how she could fake cry, and real cry, and you couldn't barely ever tell which one she was doing. That's getting off-topic now xD
back on topic then. So, Hiyoko's actual walls are much more real, and have much more needed to break them down. First, let me say this, I don't at all think that her background excuses how she treats others, I'm just saying it makes it understandable. Okay, so, Hiyoko has some extremely sturdy walls built up. Or rather, it seems like she does. but one person seems to crash right through them. Maybe that was fate? Who knows, as in the class photo they're clearly at least friends already. But everyone else has quite the cement enclosure to break through. When Mahiru dies, Hiyoko starts to slowly change. Not suddenly drop everything that made her even slightly interesting in the name of "character development", she actually and truly begins going through much more real and believable character development. Ever so slightly she starts being a bit nicer to others, and trusting of them. Her words still contain some bite, but there's just a little something else slowly making its way into those words. She actually begins to maybe try and possibly get close with others too. But, then she's killed for the most contrived of reasons. And all that is completely shoved down the drain.
That bit about Hiyoko being killed completely by chance and not for a reason is part of the reason exactly why this chapter suffered for the decision that was made to not include Hiyoko among the list of the living. Chapter 3 was full of plot holes and contrivances. A stark contrast to the previous chapters, and the writing doesn't really get back on track till chapter 5.
Moving onto other things. What does Fuyuhiko really contribute? Not much in actuality. He doesn't help in trials anymore than anyone else could have helped at that point. His character as a whole, was nearly as necessary as Soda's. But, he at least had someone to keep him from giving up on everything. Which Hiyoko would have had (to note). Also, Hiyoko actually did help in trials, though she caused some problems in the trial where she was most suspected, her weird way of going about things helped in ways that aren't immediately obvious. But, we also never got to see how helpful she could be in the future trials, as she was already dead. I'd imagine that she would have proved a lot more help really. Fuyuhiko just kinda chimes in, but doesn't really offer much in the ways of helping the cases get solved. You'd be surprised how much more help someone with bite to their words is when trying to figure out things than someone who doesn't really have anything to their words. Basically, when someone doesn't hold back, they can more easily reveal things that others had been missing. The two times would be when Fuyuhiko gave that thing about blood when poison is used, and when he prevented Gundam from returning to the room. The latter is just a convenient possibility that any one could have fulfilled/could easily have been handled differently. The poison thing is something not as much. But, overall, it wasn't horribly necessary really. Well, that's up for debate I guess? I don't really see how it was needed to be talked about, and didn't when I played it. It felt similar to when Yasuhiro talked about ghosts in the first game's final trial. Not as bad of course, but yeah. (I hated that section, so you'll probably see me ragging on it often)
I think I've hit my thinking limit for now. Will continue this later on. Oh, and I don't dislike Fuyuhiko, but he really wasn't that interesting to me. It was fun to watch him tsun tsun'ing around, but then he lost anything really distinguishing once Peko died. And became just another person. On a different note, I'll have to get through Fuyuhiko's hope fragments before I continue with this probably. It's only fair really.