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Re: Elder Scrolls 5: Skyrim

Postby Ringwraith » Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:16 pm

Aphrah wrote:
stealth20k wrote:I played morrowind so I basically played this

I could the same for so many series that it simply isn't funny..

Actually, that usual thing doesn't apply to The Elder Scrolls series at all, considering they tend to build everything up from more or less nothing each time, they tend to have completely different feels to the setting and even how the games actually play.
Comparing the games to one another generally doesn't work very well, and there's a reason why there's so much conflict over which one is the best, possibly even more divisive than Final Fantasy in that regard.
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Re: Elder Scrolls 5: Skyrim

Postby stealth20k » Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:44 pm

They all use the same gameplay, the same gameplay style, and the same general world feel of town and the same kind of cave, ruin, setting for dungeons.
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Re: Elder Scrolls 5: Skyrim

Postby vampko » Sun Aug 14, 2011 11:33 pm

stealth20k wrote:They all use the same gameplay, the same gameplay style, and the same general world feel of town and the same kind of cave, ruin, setting for dungeons.

Just curious...how many have you played?

For me, Morrowind was REALLY different than Oblivion. And Skyrim looks to be quite different from those two as well.
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Re: Elder Scrolls 5: Skyrim

Postby stealth20k » Sun Aug 14, 2011 11:43 pm

Ive played since arena.

And the gameplay style has more or less been the same since the very beginning.

Single player action sword, bow, axe, magic repeat.
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Re: Elder Scrolls 5: Skyrim

Postby vampko » Sun Aug 14, 2011 11:54 pm

stealth20k wrote:Ive played since arena.

And the gameplay style has more or less been the same since the very beginning.

Single player action sword, bow, axe, magic repeat.

But that could be said about A LOT of series.
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Re: Elder Scrolls 5: Skyrim

Postby stealth20k » Sun Aug 14, 2011 11:57 pm

exactly but this is about elder scrolls.
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Re: Elder Scrolls 5: Skyrim

Postby affinity7799 » Mon Aug 15, 2011 12:21 am

so what that the gameplay shares a similiar theme and formula between them? They still provide new enviornments, new characters, different situations in the story, improved UI flow and other things,

You can't reinvent the wheel without risking changing a franchise's genre and flavor too much (which are some things people are ranting about some changes, like removal of stats, spell modifiers, etc.)

overall Skyrim really isn't the exact same thing as Oblivion, Morrowind, etc. Even though say Arena I heard you can go visit any location in Tam'riel, it's graphics and presentation and other things are not the same thing.


I mean people fussing about the gameplay being similiar, is like people complaining that a fighting game series or action series or shooter series plays too similiar to each other. :lol:
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Re: Elder Scrolls 5: Skyrim

Postby stealth20k » Mon Aug 15, 2011 12:37 am

it means I am not missing much

And from the 100 hours I put into morrowind, oblivion and hearing about skyrim

The games have been devolving

The latest thing to go along with the majority of the guilds is magic creation
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Re: Elder Scrolls 5: Skyrim

Postby Ringwraith » Mon Aug 15, 2011 1:42 am

I wouldn't say they've been devolving, they're definitely trimming stuff off, but it was generally the unnecessary things anyway.
Oblivion plays much better, mostly in the combat side of things, than Morrowind for instance.
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Re: Elder Scrolls 5: Skyrim

Postby stealth20k » Mon Aug 15, 2011 1:58 am

Removing, the guilds, magic creation, majority of the rpg elements, solidified quests is better?

Morrowind was better than oblivion in every way other than graphics.
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Re: Elder Scrolls 5: Skyrim

Postby affinity7799 » Mon Aug 15, 2011 2:05 am

I like TESIV over TESIII. Better location, more interesting stories, more interesting characters and towns and cities, nice mounts, better combat, more interesting quests, main story and tons of other things.

stealth20k wrote:it means I am not missing much

And from the 100 hours I put into morrowind, oblivion and hearing about skyrim


You are missing out on a lot. Oh well your loss thinking that way.
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Re: Elder Scrolls 5: Skyrim

Postby Darcnova » Mon Aug 15, 2011 2:12 am

Gotta agree with you affinity, but hey, maybe I'm the one that's wrong, and a game can't be fun if I've played the previous games :P

Seriously though, if a game series continues to be fun, and evolves in some form (be it graphics, combat, or interaction), I'll buy said installment of a series heh
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Re: Elder Scrolls 5: Skyrim

Postby stealth20k » Mon Aug 15, 2011 2:15 am

I felt morrowind had the Better location (more varied), more interesting stories, more interesting characters and towns and cities (more varied), better combat (more options), more interesting quests, main story (the main quest in oblivion was aweful)
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Re: Elder Scrolls 5: Skyrim

Postby Aphrah » Mon Aug 15, 2011 3:01 am

http://gematsu.com/2011/08/skyrim-chara ... creenshots

Morrowind was awesome. I feel like playing it now ~
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Re: Elder Scrolls 5: Skyrim

Postby Ringwraith » Mon Aug 15, 2011 3:09 am

stealth20k wrote:Removing, the guilds, magic creation, majority of the rpg elements, solidified quests is better?

Guilds? There were a good four in Oblivion, which had much better quest lines than some of Morrowind's guild quest chains, and the magic creation never left.
Also not having to walk to places you've been several times already helps a bit, as sometimes getting about was a little annoying (Vivec, I'm looking at you, even with the falling down the sides).
Also the combat was much better in Oblivion as the rolling to hit deal in Morrowind was a little disconnecting, especially with ranged weapons, as you could fail to even launch the arrow, and even after that you had make sure the arrow connected with the target by aiming, then you had to roll to hit again. Although people can become terrible damage sponges in Oblivion at high levels (the auto-levelling is rather rubbish really, Fallout 3 did it much better).
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