Why hasn't NISA published an Xbox 360 title yet?

[noexcusepunk]

Star Ocean: Last Hope, Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey, Eternal Sonata, Tales of Vesperia, Ect.

All these games hit the 360 and I picked them up. I'm a huge fan of JRPG's, Obviously, or I wouldn't be here.
That said I think NISA really underestimates the amount of people who own a 360 and would play the games in question.
If we were to imagine sales for the 360 were based on a percentage system on how many 360's have been sold versus how many games were sold, keeping in mind the inherent niche that JRPG's find themselves in, I would dare to say you would find the number on the 360 side and on the PS3 side very similar in terms of percentage based on the few cross platform games the PS3 has received in terms of the already few JRPG's available state-side for the PS3 console. The difference is that there are FAR more people who own a 360, which gives that percentage on the 360 side much more weight, even though they might be similar.
In turn, I believe this to indicate that NISA's time better spent accordingly.
The funny thing is, I personally know many who have purchased a 360 simply because of the large amount of JRPG titles that began to come to it while the PS3 stayed Silent or only offered one or two games.
I believe this to be the case of many JRPG fans, and have yet to see any proof refuting the theory, though I do find myself hard pressed to find large support behind it as well.
The truth is, is that Square-Enix has the right approach, and if two versions of the game are possible, then the Gust and companies like it that NIS and NISA help localize games for should folloow suit in order to maximize exposure and thus, sales.

Examples can be seen here:

PS3 Eternal Sonata Sales in Japan and America:

[url]http://www.vgchartz.com/swlaunch.php?reg1=Japan&game1=Eternal+Sonata+-+PS3[27150]&reg2=America&game2=Eternal+Sonata+-+PS3[27150]&reg3=All&game3=&weeks=100[/url]

XB360 Eternal Sonata Sales in Japan and America:

[url]http://www.vgchartz.com/swlaunch.php?reg1=Japan&game1=Eternal+Sonata+-+X360[7488]&reg2=America&game2=Eternal+Sonata+-+X360[7488]&reg3=All&game3=&weeks=125
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As you can see, the rate of growth in sales and sales over a longer period of time are very similar, and naturally there are just simply MORE on the 360.

[Tiredman]

I bought a xbox 360 due to its overwhelming number of rpg's compared to sony. That, and the ps3 was so overpriced, it wasn't funny, and I hated seeing them be rpg lite for Americans. So I, who used to be a sony fanboy till they took away my backwards compatibility, and went rpg lite, migrated to xbox. I own every.....and I mean every.....rpg out for the xbox 36o in America. I havent played them all. I can count the number on ps3 with 1 hand, or could a year ago when I got my Xbox.

I guess I should specify something, I am not talking about elder scrolls type rpg's. I mean my jrpg's. It hurt me badly when Disgaea 3 went ps3 only. It almost drove me to buy a ps3, but I finally said screw it, I prefered the quantity on the xbox to the 2 on the ps3. I am an rpg gamer, and I don't want to play 2 games and that be it. I know now its up a few more, but still, xbox is releasing them all the time.

I do have one big gripe with xbox rpg's, a lot of them are utter crap that are all flash and no substance. Star Ocean 3? Crap story, 3/4th's of the characters suck, and the fighting system was massacred from being really user friendly and responsive to being a button mashing affair. That is the problem with a lot of the games being released on the 360. Thats one reason I want some actual jrpg's released. Tales of Vesperia is a good time, my only gripe with it is its bonus dungeon is crap compared to other Tales of games. I would rather have solid story, solid gameplay, and lower standard graphics for the generation rather than the prettiest, horribly maimed control scheme, gutted storyline, and highly annoying main characters with ridiculous names like Edge Maverick, game.

[Elysion Zero]

Yes, i understand where you're coming from, but what evidence do you have that it will last in the long run? The lack of quality PS2 titles(like Sakura Wars) after this year makes sure that it is on its last legs. The only games I see coming out are either Sports titles, which I don't think anyone has an interest in at this point, or third party games like DDR(might still be fun for some, but I've moved on) and the Singstar series.

Evidence? Super Robot Taisen Original Generations and Super Robot Taisen Original Generation Gaiden. Two quality PS2 titles being released after Sakura Taisen that will make the PS2 last in the long run.

So I, who used to be a sony fanboy till they took away my backwards compatibility, and went rpg lite, migrated to xbox

If the 360 has more RPGs then I suppose it makes sense. However, PS3 will likely have quality over quantity. With the price dropping as time passes, it's only a matter of time before the PS3 becomes the Grungust Nishiki M of consoles. The PS3 will be stronger than the Gespenst Mk-II (PS2) and developing numerous games of a higher quality for it will become a far better business strategy as a lower price will attract more buyers like the smart consumer who held off on buying the console until it didn't cost an arm and a leg. The PS3 will become the next PS2 when the price drops $100-$150 and they start providing 100% backwards compatibility to compete with the Wii’s 100% backwards compatibility. Of course, that’s only enough for developers. Once the developers hop on board the Cheap Awesome Console Express and start providing it with a worthwhile library of games, the fans will follow suit and BUY BABY BUY!

That said I think NISA really underestimates the amount of people who own a 360 and would play the games in question.

Something’s not right here…

That said I think NISA really underestimates the amount of people who own a PS2 and would play the games in question.

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Before people start complaining about how undervalued the 360 consumer base is, there’s a couple niche games for the PS2 called Super Robot Taisen Original Generations and Super Robot Taisen Original Generation Gaiden that have yet to be localized. Yo noexcusepunk, I'm really happy for you, I'mma let you finish but the PS2 is the best selling console of all time. The best selling console of all time! That’s why our consumer base is far more undervalued at this point. Heck, you 360 guys even got Zoids Assault. It’s not a good game. It didn’t sell well. Even serving a niche, the game itself was rather unpopular by those standards. And yet it came out because NEW NEXT GEN CONSOLES ARE DA BOMB DIGGITY YO! At least many in the industry seem to think so, and sometimes they’re very very wrong. Basically the 360 audience is overvalued to the point that Atlus thinks it’s more worthwhile to sell them crap, no offense to the Zoids fans who actually liked the game, than to sell the owners of the highest selling console of all time a game full of manly passion, hotblooded yelling and inspiring plot. And Atlus is a publisher that, like NISA, prides itself on releasing niche games. Of course, for the sake of my point I’m ignoring the fact that their adopting such a mainstream moneymaking mindset defeats their claims of targeting true niche markets, markets that will actually buy the games they’re sold..

If you still want to talk about how the amount of people who own a 360 is underestimated, take a ticket and stand in line. It’ll be a bit of a wait, though. There are four fanbases ahead of you guys who have their own beef with the industry writing them off at times: Playstation 2, Nintendo DS, Wii and Playstation Portable. Of course, fans supporting niche titles for other fans is a matter of courtesy. HOWEVER! It’s a courtesy given to those with the courtesy to wait their turn before crying UNDERVALUED. If NISA isn’t releasing titles for the 360, aside from the TBA Cross Edge Dash on GameFAQs, it’s because the 360 isn’t very popular in Japan nor is it that popular in America. There may be a few niche games here and there worth localizing, but they can wait until the more undervalued consumer bases are appeased. Until then, asking why NISA isn’t localizing games on a console dominated by and popular among fans of shooters and sports does little more than display a lack of awareness regarding what kind of console the 360 is. If it’s niche games and an abundance of quality JRPGs you want, then the PS3 is a better choice because it will eventually succeed the PS2. This will be more evident when the price tag drops a bit more and developers start making more good JRPG and niche games for it. Ar Tonelico III and Star Ocean 4 are already coming out soon. They’re the first of many that will come later on. Heck, Japan has’t written off the PS2 at all. They’re still releasing games for it, and some good niche games may still come out for the highest selling console of all time. The highest selling console of all time!

[noexcusepunk]

If the 360 has more RPGs then I suppose it makes sense. However, PS3 will likely have quality over quantity. With the price dropping as time passes, it's only a matter of time before the PS3 becomes the Grungust Nishiki M of consoles.

Conjecture is a wonderful thing. The things that dreams are made of, though often of late just made up of said dreams. The problem is we're stating the facts and theories on TODAYS situation, not what might be in a few years. And even more frustrating is the fact that the PS3 is HOW far into it's 10 year cycle and has yet to deliver on the majority of it's lofty promises.

The PS3 will be stronger than the Gespenst Mk-II (PS2) and developing numerous games of a higher quality for it will become a far better business strategy as a lower price will attract more buyers like the smart consumer who held off on buying the console until it didn't cost an arm and a leg. The PS3 will become the next PS2 when the price drops $100-$150 and they start providing 100% backwards compatibility to compete with the Wii’s 100% backwards compatibility.

Again, this has to do with much further down the line when they are already putting the last touches on their next console, so the PS3 will no longer be the "next gen console of choice" for anyone. Not to mention that Sony will STILL, as has been the case from the beginning, not be making money off the actual sale of their system, as they are forced to lower the price consistently in order to compete with the MUCH more realistically priced (due to their lower cost in production) competitors.

Of course, that’s only enough for developers. Once the developers hop on board the Cheap Awesome Console Express and start providing it with a worthwhile library of games, the fans will follow suit and BUY BABY BUY!

THIS comment actually makes sense. Or would if you knew how difficult it actually is to develop on the TOTALLY different kind of setup the PS3 has (I apologize if you were aware of this). You see, for over a decade people have been programming for the PowerPC platform that every console was based off of post the 16-bit era. The issue in question comes from the Cel processor itself and the Flex I/O's and any number of architectural differences and challenges that the PS3 platform represents. Basically, it means people have to be trained on the knew platforms, development which has been streamlined over many console generations has to b thrown out the door, and new processes have to be configured.
Basically, it'll take more TIME. And THAT's pretty much the main reason why the PS3 has been lacking, hasn't it?
Too long for Exclusives to come out.
Too long for those niche RPG titles to appear.
Too long for Home to appear.
Ect.
Just Too long, while your competitors are raging full steam ahead on more quality exclusives than the ps3 exclusives can simply keep up with. Namely the XB360, as I'm pretty much out of touch with the Wii once I sold it after being fed up with the mountain of not very satisfying games (for me) though they definitely sell well.

That said I think NISA really underestimates the amount of people who own a 360 and would play the games in question.

Something’s not right here…

That said I think NISA really underestimates the amount of people who own a PS2 and would play the games in question.

Fixed - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_be ... e_consoles

Before people start complaining about how undervalued the 360 consumer base is, there’s a couple niche games for the PS2 called Super Robot Taisen Original Generations and Super Robot Taisen Original Generation Gaiden that have yet to be localized. Yo noexcusepunk, I'm really happy for you, I'mma let you finish but the PS2 is the best selling console of all time. The best selling console of all time! That’s why our consumer base is far more undervalued at this point.

I ... see. So, putting aside that I've never said ANYTHING about the PS2 NOT being one of the highest selling consoles of all time, and not even really mentioning that I'm a happy ps2 and frustrated ps3 owner myself (bought one off a friend recently for $180 because he got tired of the lack of RPG titles, ironically enough), what relevance does this have with my show and tell whatsoever?

Heck, you 360 guys even got Zoids Assault. It’s not a good game. It didn’t sell well.

This is usually here you post the, you know, link to proof. Don't worry, "Imma gonna let you finish".

If you still want to talk about how the amount of people who own a 360 is underestimated, take a ticket and stand in line. It’ll be a bit of a wait, though. There are four fanbases ahead of you guys who have their own beef with the industry writing them off at times: Playstation 2, Nintendo DS, Wii and Playstation Portable.

Stop right there. Go online, do a simple search, and pull up PS2, DS, and PSP RPG titles, then hopfully your hopes will be lifted. Because there are FAR MORE RPG's for all of those consoles than on the 360 and PS3.
Simple fact. That's a lot of charts to pull up, so I'll trust you to do the search yourself instead of posting it. That's what Google is for.

Of course, fans supporting niche titles for other fans is a matter of courtesy. HOWEVER! It’s a courtesy given to those with the courtesy to wait their turn before crying UNDERVALUED. If NISA isn’t releasing titles for the 360, aside from the TBA Cross Edge Dash on GameFAQs, it’s because the 360 isn’t very popular in Japan nor is it that popular in America.

Actually ,the WII is king in both countries, and next in line is DS, PSP, 360 and then ps3 in America; DS, PSP, PS3, and then 360 in Japan. The last two can be seen for example in my previous post in terms of sales on RPG's however, and why there are more sold on 360.

There may be a few niche games here and there worth localizing, but they can wait until the more undervalued consumer bases are appeased. Until then, asking why NISA isn’t localizing games on a console dominated by and popular among fans of shooters and sports does little more than display a lack of awareness regarding what kind of console the 360 is. If it’s niche games and an abundance of quality JRPGs you want, then the PS3 is a better choice because it will eventually succeed the PS2.

Right, again with the time issue, and yet right now the 360 has shown that NOT to be the case, in both sales in Japan and in America FOR THE SAME GAMES. Or did you NOT read my previous post or look at the examples?
Do you have sources for this? I was hoping you would provide some as I have.
Here's some for American Console sales:
http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1= ... &weeks=156
And of Course Japan:
http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1= ... &weeks=156
What you'll see is the same as I said above a few lines back.

This will be more evident when the price tag drops a bit more and developers start making more good JRPG and niche games for it. Ar Tonelico III and Star Ocean 4 are already coming out soon. They’re the first of many that will come later on. Heck, Japan has’t written off the PS2 at all. They’re still releasing games for it, and some good niche games may still come out for the highest selling console of all time. The highest selling console of all time!

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Thing is, is that Ar tonelico III is one heck of a niche title. Due to limited funds, it will appear on one console. However, to maximize their profit from their niche market, of which I clearly showed was in more abundance on the 360, would also be wise once they gain what I'm sure we all hope to be a great success on the PS3. Star Ocean 4 is coming to ps3 because it did well on the 360 for the niche game it was, and they felt the lower number of people on ps3 would be worth a port, adding in a few extras and then calling it a day, because they wanted to maximize their earnings and audience. This was said in an interview I believe, though I lament I can not find the source, so I can't really call it a fact.
The PS2 is still running strong, I don't think anyone can deny that, and I hope to see more localizations for it as well. And I really do hope that the PS3 get's it's day in the sun to finally appear. But with it's current state of affairs, Sony is really in trouble. They really need the PS3 to start selling more.
It already has picked up a bit, but needs much more to cover the amount of money they have lost on the console already.
You do know the Sony North American CEO resigned right after the "Missteps" of the PS3 launch and the then after problems, right?
Source: http://www.pcworld.com/article/131259/h ... signs.html

IT is speculated that it was also due to other reasons, though nothing can be made concrete.

[shymel94]

http://www.siliconera.com/2010/01/27/fa ... 360-games/
Maybe Nippon Ichi can hear you guys/girls/ect.

[odinfan]

Wow, it's like that article was made specifically for this topic.... heh. Might be them, who knows? If it's true, you know NISA is probably already on it. A good strategy is getting your games out to many demographics, having a solid line-up is only half of the puzzle. You can't really sell if you're stuck on one machine, however loyal your company is.

That's why I don't particularly like exclusives.

[Elysion Zero]

Moderated. Will re-post, if poster behaves for awhile.

[shymel94]

Elysion Zero, do you really need to go into every topic you post in and worm Super Robot in it? What's wrong with people want NISA to publish Xbox 360 games over what you want them to publish?

[odinfan]

Moderated, debating is okay, fighting with each other isn't.

[Hellfire99X]

I'm going to avoid the "other" topic that's sprung up in this thread, because it really doesn't belong here. I'm not a fan of spam. >.>

In regards to the larger, general question of the console wars, I'm having a really hard time predicting who the winner will be this round. Part of me hopes for the PS3's success, but I also realize that -- literally -- if it weren't for Ar tonelico III, I wouldn't own a PS3 right now. (However, it being on the PS3 also got me to pick up a copy of Cross Edge along with the console. )

On the other hand, I already own a Wii for other unrelated games, and up until I'd heard about this recent wave of new PS3 RPGs, I'd already considered the Wii to be the winner. Now, I'm not so sure...

On the other... other hand... I can't think of a single Xbox 360 game that I want. About the only thing I can fathom doing with that console is trying to import Metal Wolf Chaos (a crazy Xbox-JP shooter game) along with it and seeing if it's compatible.

(And randomly, the lack of PS2 compatibility on my PS3 doesn't bother me so much -- my PS2 still works just fine, and I have several reasons for wanting to keep it versus using a BC PS3. It needs a new optical drive though.. the original is starting to wear down. Maybe my next project...)

If I had to make my own prediction regarding the current-gen console wars... I'd say the Wii will probably be the winner in the short term, until Nintendo releases a new console to replace it. But the PS3 might turn out to be the winner in the very long term (10+ years), thanks to the hardware it's packing. Assuming Sony doesn't push the PS4 out the door inside of 5 years, which I think would be rather suicidal if they're indeed still losing money per PS3 console.

As for the original thread topic, why NISA hasn't release any 360 titles... I can't really answer that. I'm sure there are games out there that need to be localized, but I can't think of any, since I don't own the console myself. Here's hoping some games get localized for you, though!

[Elysion Zero]

"Elysion Zero, do you really need to go into every topic you post in and worm Super Robot in it? What's wrong with people want NISA to publish Xbox 360 games over what you want them to publish?"

Yes, yes I do. And what's wrong is that question. It's inaccurate. A few people want NISA to publish 360 games over what the largest Game Request topic on the forums wants them to publish. More people on the forum want OGs than 360 games. I guess I'll leave the topic, as odinfan is using the staff as an ideological cudgel to silence dissenting viewpoints.

[odinfan]

No, I'm being practical. Its not just the staff that's going to ask you to do it, it's the whole community. It would be best if you'd leave if you can't contribute like a normal person, because you're outright spamming. This is the third time I've seen you do it. Another member, including myself had to tell you to stop, and yet, you still seem rather adamant on this issue. Don't turn into another troll and ruin it for the rest of us, I like this board.

[Elysion Zero]

Practical? I suppose I’ll have to be practical as well, then. At this point in time, since this post and possibly future posts I'd be making have nothing to do with the topic at hand, I'll take the opportunity to be the better man by taking this dispute to PM. I'm not going to do what your like-minded cohorts did in another topic by turning this one any further away from its intended purpose. One of us needs to be level-headed and I suppose I'm forced to be that person. It's a shame that for all your talk about contributing like a normal person you persist on attacking me in off-topic posts. Let's spare these people any more of the drama you've instigated, shall we? I'll be sending you my reply via PM shortly.

Until then, I apologize to everyone else who's stayed on topic. It's my fault for expecting all of the people here to be reasonable and respectful of others' opinions at least to the point of not trying to silence them because of disagreements, pettiness or merely being thin skinned or even just annoyed. I made a critical mistake and gave people such as odinfan, Surreal, Judgment8 and RedCoKid too much credit. Truly, I'm at fault for expecting people to be able to settle disputes in a civilized manner with words rather than threats or insults. I’ve miscalculated the level of tolerance people here have and it’s only resulted in drama, in this topic and another, that won’t be solved while some persist on using annoyance as a reason to denounce someone’s posts as spam and tell them to leave a public forum. Again, I apologize for this off topic drama that odinfan seeks to continue. It was not my intention to draw out the elitists on the forum nor cause them to sabotage topics with slander.

If any of you have any problem with me or this last post, my PM inbox is open. I won’t be ignoring your valid complaints, telling you to shut up or urging you to get off the internet. Let’s just redirect all of this to where it belongs: outside of a topic that’s about NISA and the Xbox 360.

To set this topic back on its rightful course of discussion, I pose to you all this question: What good RPGs for the Xbox 360 have yet to be localized?

[RedCoKid]

Now you're calling me out? I politely asked that you limit SRT discussion to the appropriate topic and not bash NISA's line-up when you talk about it. I suggested that other members use relevant tools rather than respond in kind. Please be civilized here.

Do not PM me again. I want nothing to do with this.

[noexcusepunk]

To set this topic back on its rightful course of discussion, I pose to you all this question: What good RPGs for the Xbox 360 have yet to be localized?

In all honesty, it's past this now. I have already shown that Niche Titles, not some washed up Zoid action/adventure/strategy game, such as jRPG's (and yes, they ARE a niche genre) have sold better on the 360 than they have on ps3 in both aforementioned countries. Everything else I have argued has been the end of expressing and maintaining that point.
The PS2 has been out for over a decade, and though it has a large user base, does not really need any more titles in this genre in order to bring the RPG niche to the system. It's already there.
The 360 and ps3, however, do.
The super nintendo had a huge user base before and during when the next gen systems came out. And yet we all had to switch gears anyway, didn't we. I know, because I was placed in that situation. The PS1 brought on the titles, and the user base moved over. It took a lot less time for THAT to happen then in this generation, and yet here we sit, in stagnation.

Calling me an "Xbox 360 fanboy with butthurt" not only degrades your own stance, but is just flat out hilarious. I have no console loyalty, and haven't since I left Nintendo during the N64 era.
Back when Console Loyalty mattered, which was really the SNES and Genesis days, these kind of arguments make sense. But now, in a world where console games are released across all the platforms, even hand held; console loyalty isn't valid.

So, what are the facts?
The 360 has sold better in america than the ps3.
The percentage of sales on the 360 in America is pretty much exactly the same in Japan, as it is in both countries for the ps3 on similar niche jRPG titles that have recently come out (as already shown).
The USA, has a much larger gaming audience than Japan, because they have more people in general.
The percentage in America holds FAR more weight, meaning more sales than in Japan in any case.
And of course, my favorite. At the end of the day, NIS, NISA, GUST, ATLUS, Random Developer, STILL has a business to run. That's exactly what it is, and don't forget it. A business is meant to make money. And making money is EXACTLY what we want them to do. SO, maximizing their profit, equals good for all.
Good for PS3 owners, good for 360 owners, hell, good for ps2 owners.